Warco wm-14

[mechman48Participant @mechman48]

See link for specs on WM16

**LINK**

I can get comfortably full table travel of 520mm, specs say max table travel 280mm ..this is from spindle centre line either way..gives you available aprox 560mm full working length, if you need it. Max height with head wound fully up ..910mm from base to top of motor, I'm a short a***e ..5'7" & can comfortably wind the head fully up (mine is on stand) so your 8' x 8' shed will have more than enough headroom plus enough front to back space from looking at your drawing. With 4" vice fitted there is approx 220 mm available to work in, again this depends on what tools you have fitted in the spindle, collet holder + cutter, drill chuck  etc.  'Y' axis travel states 175mm..I have a 8" /200 mm DRO fitted & I can get full travel on it but bear in mind the read head will knock about an 1" of ea.end so the specs are correct..approx 6.8" /175mm useable travel.

Cheers

George

Edited By mechman48 on 24/03/2013 11:58:00

[petro1headParticipant @petro1head]

Just clarify what the distance from the ctr line of the mill to the end of the table when adjusted all the way left and what's the distance when adjusted all the way right. Also watch the distance from the rear most edge of the mill to the front of the table when table adjusted out tmaths ksmaths ks

[mechman48Participant @mechman48]

See above description

G

[BazyleParticipant @bazyle]

Easy to get carried away by thoughts of shiney new machines. Since there is so much you can do with a lathe alone It might be worth a stepping back and having a think. Boring but £200 spent on insulation and lining would extend the work envelope and another £150 on a dehumidifier would protect against rust for when you do get the shiney machine.

[AndyfParticipant @andyf]

My milling machine sits diagonally across a corner, as does George's. This allows enough room for table travel, while leaving a bit more of the walls either side available for other stuff. There is dead space behind, but as most millers are relatively narrow at the back, it is pretty minimal.

Andy

Edited By Andyf on 24/03/2013 13:48:22

[petro1headParticipant @petro1head]

Posted by mechman48 on 24/03/2013 12:00:24:

See above description

G

Opps, sorry

so the max needed working width is 560? Why do they say the width is 950, I am confued 

Edited By petro1head on 24/03/2013 14:51:33

[John Stevenson 1Participant @johnstevenson1]

You need the actual length of the bed [ including handles ] plus the travel.

That is the bare minimum you need but you do need clearance to get hold of the handles.

As George shwed in his picture across a corner is good but you don't have to be at a dead 45 degrees as mostly you only use a mill from one end, which end is personal preferance.

If you remove one handle and replace with a spacer, or just remove the sticky out bit and slew to say 40 degrees you can get better access to the handle you use and make the most of the space.

[BazyleParticipant @bazyle]

How much clearance above is needed for inserting the drawbar?

[John Stevenson 1Participant @johnstevenson1]

Drawbar can be changed with the head down but if the worst comes to the worst the head can be rotated so the drawbar comes out sideways.

So drawbar is not an issue.

[petro1headParticipant @petro1head]

Posted by John Stevenson on 24/03/2013 14:53:52:

You need the actual length of the bed [ including handles ] plus the travel.

Yes, that the dimension I am after

[John Stevenson 1Participant @johnstevenson1]

Are we talking WM14 or 16 here ?

[Les Jones 1Participant @lesjones1]

Hi petro1head,

             Machine width     Table travel           Space required.

WM14          800 mm +     220 mm =        1020 mm

WM16          930 mm +     485 mm =        1415 mm

These values are from Warcos website.
You could reduce the required space a little for the WM16 as John has allready suggested.

Les.

Edited By Les Jones 1 on 24/03/2013 17:01:54

Edited By Les Jones 1 on 24/03/2013 17:03:19

[John Stevenson 1Participant @johnstevenson1]

Les, I get the WM14 table size to read 400 + 220 = 620

where did you get 800 from ?

Also WM16 reads as 700 + 485 = 1185 ?

Judging from the pics you need to add about 120 – 150mm for a handle and probably 50mm for a space on the other end.

[Les Jones 1Participant @lesjones1]

Hi John,
I have read the sequence of dimensions back to front. I transposed the width with the height. I am assuming the width dimension is the total width of the table including handles. (These values are from the Warco website when you download the PDF file if you click on "Spec sheet"
For the WM14 I get the width as 500 mm and the table travel as 220 mm (= 720 mm)
For the WM16 I get the width as 950 mm and the table travel as 485 mm (= 1435 mm)
Sorry for the error but we still have different values for the total width of the table so it looks like we need someone that has these machines to measure the total table length including handles.

Les.

Edited By Les Jones 1 on 24/03/2013 17:42:20

Edited By Les Jones 1 on 24/03/2013 17:42:58

Edited By Les Jones 1 on 24/03/2013 17:43:44

Edited By Les Jones 1 on 24/03/2013 17:44:03

[petro1headParticipant @petro1head]

It was for the wm-16

george has one so was hoping he would do the measurements, pretty please

[John Stevenson 1Participant @johnstevenson1]

Les,

Dimensions are packing case sizes. if you look on the spec sheet, above the drawing for the tee slots it gives you the size of the table as 400 x 120.

Can't go on 500 as being total width as probaly shipswith the handles off to save space.

[Les Jones 1Participant @lesjones1]

Hi John,
Under the table of dimensions they say "Measurements taken to end of handle
grips and with head at maximum elevation" So for the WM14 the width given is 100 mm longer than the table length which would be about right for the single handle. On the WM16 the width is given as 250 mm longer than the table length which would be about right for the two handles on the WM16.
I think petro1head needs to wait for someone to take an actual measurment. There is also a difference in the table travel (WM16) of 485 mm quoted by Warco and the value of 520 mm given by George.

Les.

[petro1headParticipant @petro1head]

looking at the max working size it looks looks like the wm16 maybe too big

this is a pity as looking at the spec the wm16 offers a lot more over the wm14. shame there is not a wm15

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

You don't have to use all the travel

[mechman48Participant @mechman48]

Hi all

Seems like I've opened a can of worms to answer a simple question here are the sizes I have measured for the mill table & sizes for my layout for Petro1head info' .. by the way the photo of my mill was taken as I opened the packing case last year so it is not at an angle in my garage, it is parallel to the wall.

As for the table travel I wound the table fully to one side & read 520mm..from the spindle to the end of table, it didn't allow from dead center of spindle.. if you discount the casting thickness, the coolant trough width (both ends) then you will end up with approx' 480 mm of 'workable' table. I will double check later (& take pic) to clarify, won't be tomorrow

[mechman48Participant @mechman48]

PS

Before anyone comments on where the grinder is situated, it is on a stand & is moved when I need to grind anything it's convenient to store it there just now, I am looking at permanently fixing it elsewhere, we all know what storage is! keep changing our minds eh!

bfn

George

[petro1headParticipant @petro1head]

Posted by JasonB on 24/03/2013 19:56:45:

You don't have to use all the travel

True

so are we suggestions that I would be better of with the wm16 over the 14?

[michael chalmersParticipant @michaelchalmers19148]

I have also been looking at mills, ie wm14 or wm16.The table size put me off on the wm16,then looked at Amadeal to find they do two table sizes. ie 500mm or 700mm. Have spoken to Warco as they used to do a wm16 with the 500mm table but know only do 700mm do to cnc conversion.

[petro1headParticipant @petro1head]

Its the table travel that gets me, only 22cm on the wm14, I kind of wonder is that not enough?

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

It really depends on what you intend to make. I've had an X3 for about 5 years and only once needed more travel, even then it was no great hardship to move the work and pick up the edge again.

I've done a 2" traction engine, various large hit & miss engines and a couple of large stationary steam engines.

One of the advantages of a long table is that you can leave a vice set up at one end and a rotary table at the other so you don't have to keep swapping them over and setting them true all the time. Plus there is always room to get clamps around your work which can be a limitation with small tables

J

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