Take a look?

[nigel jones 5Participant @nigeljones5]

[nigel jones 5Participant @nigeljones5]

Anyone else think this looks a bit suspect when advertised as new and professionally built?

**LINK**

And its actually against EU regulations to put a CE mark on it, but thats a whole other can of worms!

[Brian HParticipant @brianh50089]

Not sure about that; the seller has over 500 good reports and appears to be a professional boilermaker. If its been built and tested to the regulations then why should it not be CE marked?

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

I really wouldn't know, Fizzy … but the feedback statistics [for unrelated items] are remarkably good.

MichaelG.

[nigel jones 5Participant @nigeljones5]

First off it is claimed to have been made by Blackgates, not the boilermaker. The pressure vessel regulations are quite specific as to what is covered by the CE scope and boilers of this size are exempt, but I guess if you dont put it on no one will buy it. Doesnt look like Blackgates standard to me.

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

Can't see a CE mark on the actual boiler or any other stamps come to that such as boiler number, TP and WP.

 

Edited By JasonB on 27/12/2016 10:16:45

[Rex HanmanParticipant @rexhanman57403]

The final picture appears to be a different boiler. It has an additinal fitting opposite the top gauge glass fitting and the solder flow is different around the stays.

[Ady1Participant @ady1]

Anyone who wants to buy a hobby boiler from a third party already knows it is going to be a caveat emptor purchase unless they are genetically dim

Looks like an opportunity for someone not wanting to build their own and could save hundreds of hours of effort

Ebay is great for purchasers who are willing to take a risk, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, as one of that kind of purchaser I have won a heck of a lot more times than I've lost over the years

[Ady1Participant @ady1]

The only real problem I can think of is :- would your local club let you run it if you bought it?

[not done it yetParticipant @notdoneityet]

Being cynical, but that 'CE' mark might be on any part exported from china. I see no mention of it being built from scratch by the vendor and only a mention of 'testing' facilities. Simple enough to ask specific questions and see if the reply is, in any way, suspicious, devious or inaccurate.

Go on, do it! Ask them and let us know the question(s) and replies.

[Brian HParticipant @brianh50089]

I've asked the seller about the Blackgates connection and will post again when (if) I get a reply.

[old AlParticipant @oldal]

This 'professionally ' built boiler make the ones i do look really good. Ive missed my vocation, or am i just tight and dont want to splash silver solder all over the place!

[AjohnwParticipant @ajohnw51620]

I would suspect that the Blackgate connection is just the fact that they sell it and nothing more than that.

CE mark. Well maybe people should read this and notice that not all are notifiable. From comments it seems this size doesn't need a ce mark however it looks like anyone can test according to convention in this case and stick one on it.

**LINK**

One thing that struck me about the listing was the photo that included a toolmakers chest in the shot. The content made me smile and I would guess it's been added for effect.

I would suspect and item like this that did need ce would also require fully traceable materials – not probably word of mouth as things probably mostly are in this area. In other word statements of conformity for everything used – and in a different fashion the person who braised it up.

John

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Edited By Ajohnw on 27/12/2016 12:10:15

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

These days, CE = Chinese Export.

[Nick HulmeParticipant @nickhulme30114]

Posted by fizzy on 27/12/2016 10:09:21:

First off it is claimed to have been made by Blackgates, not the boilermaker. The pressure vessel regulations are quite specific as to what is covered by the CE scope and boilers of this size are exempt, but I guess if you dont put it on no one will buy it. Doesnt look like Blackgates standard to me.

Exempt doesn't mean you can't, it means you don't need to.

If you want to follow the rules and CE mark a hand whittled, drilled & filled pencil you are at liberty to do so, even if you don't need to provided the rules do not state that the product is barred from being declared CE compliant.

Why get all het up about a boiler manufacturer with excellent feedback?

[Mark CParticipant @markc]

One HUGE can of worms….

Take a look at the UK.GOV page – at the very basic level, it just means that the product conforms with all relevant requirements. Other than that, it is just a major PIA and a good excuse to add cost

**LINK**

Mark

PS. if you are involved in manufacturing and don't want to have a new year locked up in a padded cell foaming at the mouth, don't follow that link!

[GeorgineerParticipant @georgineer]

Having skimmed some of her feedback,most of which is for clothing, Samantha certainly has an unusual business model if she's making boilers as well. I once heard a dress described as looking like second-hand curtain linings run up by an apprentice welder, but the boiler looks like the inverse of that. I would want a lot more information before I laid out my hard-earned cash.

George

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

My reading of it is that it is actually to the design as sold by Blackgates and it might not have been built yet (hence the >1-month delivery period for collection).

It isn't an import – you can see that in the hydraulic text picture where the copper hasn't been cleaned up yet in case it needs a reheat.

Neil

[KWILParticipant @kwil]

Exceedingly narrow lap joint along lower center line of boiler tube (with no internal strap ?)

[Steven VineParticipant @stevenvine79904]

… and the pressure test looks like it has exceeded the 60psi on the gauge. Surely that can't be good for the gauge (or the credibility of any test)? I feel another lynching coming on!

Steve

[pgk pgkParticipant @pgkpgk17461]

The seller does make the point that it's a 'considered' I expect 'considerable' purchase and offers to allow buyers to inspect his workshop/testing facilities. Sounds fair enough to me.. go see any one you order tested before parting with loot and check his credentials.

[John Stevenson 1Participant @johnstevenson1]

Posted by Steven Vine on 27/12/2016 14:42:52:

… I feel another lynching coming on!

Steve

Or another communal tack weld to the armchair ?

[Steven VineParticipant @stevenvine79904]

Posted by John Stevenson on 27/12/2016 15:03:20:

Posted by Steven Vine on 27/12/2016 14:42:52:

… I feel another lynching coming on!

Steve

Or another communal tack weld to the armchair ?

Lol. Communal armchair lynching. All the frenzy and thrills of a real life lynching, but from the comfort of your warm cosy armchair. It could be the new hobby for 2017. Guilty as charged!

Steve

[old AlParticipant @oldal]

stop moaning about the auction website We all know its a good place to get rid of sub standard stuff and buyers rarely complain. The complaints system is floored for those who try.

This advert has super photos showing all the floors of the boiler and another, so you know what to expect. The only thing the seller hasnt done is taken a photo of a completed, unconnected loco to show what might be. And that is allowable under these auction rules.

I dont think i would pass that one if it turns up at my club, but i would have to look at it more closely before making my final decision.

Now where did i leave my CE stamp, or where can i buy one, i thought they had to be earnt.

[John Stevenson 1Participant @johnstevenson1]

Posted by old Al on 27/12/2016 15:54:02:

Now where did i leave my CE stamp, or where can i buy one, i thought they had to be earnt.

.

 

Or just use a label.

We used to buy ours from RS, must still have a couple of hundred kicking about somewhere.

**LINK**

[ Edit ] can be bought from here.

 

http://www.pryormarking.com/products/ce-stamps

 

Edited By John Stevenson on 27/12/2016 16:03:22

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