Open thoughts

[JoParticipant @jo]

Intelligence tests are a joke, at 16 I was measured wth an IQ of over 200 which was a totally meaningless number: My brain just worked in a way that found their tests easy.

We all have our own unique contribution that we can make, some through practical skill, others through thought and reflectivity. When the two have the opportunity of coming and working together great things can be achieved.

Jo

[MuzzerParticipant @muzzer]

I see the tribe over at Mensa are still milking each other's vanity ("The High IQ Society"!!). Having Sir Clive Sinclair as Hon Pres pretty much says it all for me. Last I heard from him he was proposing fuel cell powered helicopters. What a national embarrassment. The danger of spending too much time in front of the mirror…

[Thomas GudeParticipant @thomasgude37285]

Fair doos Peter. I wasn't trying to individualise you, just tried to give a younger person's perspective. That said we are all different and all learn in different ways. Seems the convo has taken another fork so I'm off to bed.

[MuzzerParticipant @muzzer]

Sorry, I assumed this was one of those Daily Mail / Jeremy Vine type threads, given the title. I just got kind of drawn in without realising!

Merry

[mechman48Participant @mechman48]

Posted by Mick Charity on 06/02/2014 19:05:03:

This thread is in serious danger of turning into a '***** waving' contest, so I'd like to change direction just slightly.

What 'defines' intelligence in your opinion?

We all like to think that we're smart, but only the smart ones amongst us know when we're totally out of our league.

Am I arrogant to believe that I'm smarter than the bloke to my left, or am I stupid to think that the bloke to my right is above & beyond me on the brain scale?

What is intelligence? Is it practical ability, book knowledge, experience?

Edited By Mick Charity on 06/02/2014 19:23:30

I agree Mick but.. where I have emboldened above type ,it reminds me of the Monty Python sketch.. 'I am upper class because I look down on him (John Cleese to Ronnie Barker ) RB to Ronnie Corbett.. I am middle class because I look down on him…etc. etc.

Come on guys enough is enough, this forum is becoming a joke.. we're all model engineers of one calibre or another, we enjoy what we're doing for the simple pleasure of it, whether we be old hands of many years standing or complete newbies, not who's a graduate, got an IQ of umpteen hundreds, worked for NASA blah blah. we all have something to contribute, I just look to have questions answered, helpful hints, constructive advice etc… lets put it to bed !

George.

Edited By mechman48 on 07/02/2014 10:12:18

Edited By JasonB on 07/02/2014 20:53:54

[Rik ShawParticipant @rikshaw]

I agree George, huff and puff for the most part. By the way it was "That was the Week it Was" not Python – yet another boring observation to add to a long list on this thread – apologies!

Hope you are enjoying using your new machinery.

Rik

[NJHParticipant @njh]

Well Guys

If you don't like the thread then I can assure you that there is absolutely no obligation on you to read it.

Be fair – allow those with more experience of life ( OK – I mean "old gits&quot to reminisce about the good old days – times when petrol was 1/3d a gallon, when we could drink beer until we were sick, when we could lie in bed until lunchtime – before repeating the whole experience. From these experiences I contend that intelligence increases with age – it is only with the passing of time that I learned that it's best not to continue the cycle. Since gaining that extra intelligence I have found the mornings far more agreeable.

Norman

[Rik ShawParticipant @rikshaw]

My mistake George – it was "The Frost Report". I should have mentioned that the one thing that this thread demonstrates very well is the high opinion many here hold of themselves ad nauseum.

Rik

[Carl Wilson 4Participant @carlwilson4]

Indeed it does. I've been watching this for some time, and trying to remember where I'd read something that seemed apposite. I can always remember having read something, but never where…I eventually found it:-

"A true understanding and humble estimate of oneself is the highest and most valuable of all lessons. To take no account of oneself, but always to think well and highly of others, is the highest wisdom and perfection. Should you see another person openly doing evil, or carrying out a wicked purpose, do not on that account consider yourself better than him, for you cannot tell for how long you will remain in a state of grace. We are all frail; consider none more frail than yourself."

It was in Thomas-a-Kempis in the end.

Frost Report was some meeting of minds wasn't it? I think that was were messrs Barker and Corbett first worked together.

[mechman48Participant @mechman48]

Hi all

Rik thanks for correcting me; 'twas The frost Report now that I recall.. machines working fine & doing everything I ask of them..

I too am one of those fairly 'owld gits', I can remember petrol at 6/3d a gallon for my first bike.. Honda 50, when they first came out.. could go out & buy 8 bottles of 'Newcy' brown ale & a packet of tabs at the club & still have change from a quid ! .. my first pay packet was £3 – 10 – 6d ( £3 – 53p ) & was looking with great expectations to finishing my apprenticeship & going on to 'full fitters pay' of £20 quid a week.. those were the days.. not necessarily 'good' but memorable in the least.

George

[jason udallParticipant @jasonudall57142]

I think the thread title is OPEN THOUGHTS…
I for one like that there is room in this forum for such a thread.
I find opinions ofter differ from my own.
But I am with Blase Pascal on this one

And I find this more interesting than “just what thread was used on the third from the left nut on such and such a *hoo * hoo”

[Barnaby WildeParticipant @barnabywilde70941]

I've always thought that 'intelligence' is one's ability to solve a problem. IQ tests tend to be mathematical because EVERYTHING basically boils down to mathematics. There are people amongst us who can work out the most difficult of equations in their head, yet they cannot safely put a shelf up !

Equally, there are people who can imagine & make complex objects purely from within their head, but are totally & utterly ignorant of the math involved.

What's an engineers take on the glass half full / half empty scenario?

I once landed a very £££lucrative job at interview by taking the problem in a totally different direction, it was what separated me from the other applicants. I never tried to be better than the other applicants, I tried to be 'different'.

[Barnaby WildeParticipant @barnabywilde70941]

Posted by mechman48 on 07/02/2014 10:06:47:

Come on guys enough is enough, this forum is becoming a joke.. we're all model engineers of one calibre or another, we enjoy what we're doing for the simple pleasure of it, whether we be old hands of many years standing or complete newbies, not who's a graduate, got an IQ of umpteen hundreds, worked for NASA blah blah. we all have something to contribute, I just look to have questions answered, helpful hints, constructive advice etc… lets put it to bed !

George.

I hear what you're saying, but do you not need to know that the answer to your many questions is from a source that can be respected?

I've been around long enuff to have learned that Sir. John Stephenson (of this very parish) is a very knowledgeable chap with bags of knowledge, tons of ability, decades of experience & more 'mileage' than my dear old Aunts Morris Minor, his answers/suggestions/pointers to Qu's on whatever forum can be trusted & respected.

I can take you to other forums where the 'stock' answer by 'god knows who' can be not only wrong, but dangerously wrong.

[Carl Wilson 4Participant @carlwilson4]

Posted by Mick Charity on 07/02/2014 18:04:31:

I've always thought that 'intelligence' is one's ability to solve a problem. IQ tests tend to be mathematical because EVERYTHING basically boils down to mathematics. There are people amongst us who can work out the most difficult of equations in their head, yet they cannot safely put a shelf up !

Equally, there are people who can imagine & make complex objects purely from within their head, but are totally & utterly ignorant of the math involved.

What's an engineers take on the glass half full / half empty scenario?

I once landed a very £££lucrative job at interview by taking the problem in a totally different direction, it was what separated me from the other applicants. I never tried to be better than the other applicants, I tried to be 'different'.

As an engineer I can tell you that the glass is neither half full nor half empty. It is 50% too large.

[Barnaby WildeParticipant @barnabywilde70941]

Posted by Carl Wilson 4 on 07/02/2014 18:41:19:

 

As an engineer I can tell you that the glass is neither half full nor half empty. It is 50% too large.

 

That Sir, together with my explanation of why I thought so, landed me the job that made me.

Edited By Mick Charity on 07/02/2014 18:46:11

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

Load of rubbish posts deleted.

J

[Barnaby WildeParticipant @barnabywilde70941]

Posted by JasonB on 07/02/2014 20:51:57:

Load of rubbish posts deleted.

J

Actually, I thought that most of those posts were far more intellectually stimulating & thought provoking than the usual tosh that is bandied about on this forum.

Perhaps your deleting them is a reflection on what this forums really all about?

Maybe we should just concentrate on making swarf, & posting our photo's of swarf making, with an in depth insight into how we made the swarf, so the demographic can have its fill of swarf making pictures?

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

Unfortunately MIck it was some of your language and what you accused Jason of doing that prompted me to delete that batch of posts and edit some of your earlier ones.

As a newcomer to this forum I would ask you to pay a bit more thought to what you post before hitting the button otherwise I will have to take further action.

J

[Carl Wilson 4Participant @carlwilson4]

Yes. We could post pictures of making swarf and then a rarefied elite of cognoscenti could post telling us how we are doing it all wrong.

Oh wait. That is what does happen.

[John Stevenson 1Participant @johnstevenson1]

Actually you are lucky that Jason edited them.

I would have deleted the bloody lot…………..

[colin hawesParticipant @colinhawes85982]

The "clever" guy is the one who is encouraged by everyone else to do their difficult work. Colin

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