One for the electronics enthusiasts?

[An OtherParticipant @another21905]

Forward to the Past

[bernard towersParticipant @bernardtowers37738]

£9 MILLION !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Robert Atkinson 2Participant @robertatkinson2]

Well I’m not going to pay £5 or accept all their cookies and ads to find out.

[old martParticipant @oldmart]

Surely that 9 million is a typo, Tornado cost 3 million to build from scratch.

[Robert Atkinson 2]

On Robert Atkinson 2 Said:

Well I’m not going to pay £5 or accept all their cookies and ads to find out.

I’m with you there, Robert !

a wild guess, based on what flashed-up before the extortion-racket, tells me this might be the project in question

https://eastcoastdigitalprogramme.co.uk/home

[but I’m happy to be corrected]

MichaelG.

[Nick HughesParticipant @nickhughes97026]

I use a firefox browser extension called “Behind The Overlay”, to skip past most of these Banner Overlays.

[duncan webster 1Participant @duncanwebster1]

If you just put a link with no clue as to what it is there’s no way I’m going to follow it

[peak4Participant @peak4]

I’ve no idea where the £5 comment comes from, but the original is a link to a Guardian story, where I don’t see any advertising, though I do have a free Guardian account.

Nobody has done this before’: Britain’s beloved steam trains trial pioneering technology
In-cab digital signalling was tested last week as part of a project to secure the future of main-line locomotives

Bill

[peak4]

On peak4 Said:

I’ve no idea where the £5 comment comes from, but the original is a link to a Guardian story, where I don’t see any advertising, though I do have a free Guardian account. […]

Here you go, Bill

MichaelG.

[ I do not have a Guardian account, free or otherwise ].

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Edit: __ we could discuss the semantics of Extortion/Protection, but I would rather not bother:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_racket

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[Nicholas FarrParticipant @nicholasfarr14254]

Hi, I take the same view as others, i.e. I won’t pay £5.00 a month or accept all their cookies etc.

Regards Nick.

[John HaineParticipant @johnhaine32865]

So what did you do about cookies for this site?

[Robert Atkinson 2Participant @robertatkinson2]

I don’t accept them. This site dosn’t force you to have non-essential cookies. The on-site ads are generally relevent

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

For anyone interested:

https://www.theguardian.com/help/privacy-policy

MichaelG.

[An OtherParticipant @another21905]

Its the Guardian – they have a banner simply notifying people of thr cost of running the website – If you don’t understand  it, then you are free to ignore it, if not, simply click on it to to ignore it – the stroy is about fitting electronics to the Tornado locomotive.

If you don’t want to click on the link, thats your privilege. If you are unwilling to accept (or manage cookies) then thats your loss. At least several people seem to know how to access a legitimate website.

[Michael Gilligan]

On Michael Gilligan Said:

[…] based on what flashed-up before the extortion-racket, tells me this might be the project in question

https://eastcoastdigitalprogramme.co.uk/home

As previously stated ^^^

Horse’s mouth and all that.

MichaelG.

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https://eastcoastdigitalprogramme.co.uk/news-and-updates

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

With a palatable method of Cookie control:

https://www.railindustryconnect.co.uk/steam-and-digital-collide-as-world-first-loco-begins-testing/

MichaelG.

[John Haine]

On John Haine Said:

So what did you do about cookies for this site?

Hi, well this site gives you a choice, and i choose the Customise one, unlike many others that what you to pay not to get junk mail.

Regards Nick.

[An Other]

On An Other Said:

Its the Guardian – they have a banner simply notifying people of thr cost of running the website – If you don’t understand  it, then you are free to ignore it, if not, simply click on it to to ignore it – the stroy is about fitting electronics to the Tornado locomotive.

If you don’t want to click on the link, thats your privilege. If you are unwilling to accept (or manage cookies) then thats your loss. At least several people seem to know how to access a legitimate website.

It’s not just a banner. It requires you to accept ALL their adverts, cookies etc. And they share information with 132 other organisations. Yes there are other ways around this but:

A. I’m not going to bother for a unexplained link
b. Technically you would be breaching the agreement entered into with the website.

 

[duncan webster 1Participant @duncanwebster1]

Going back to the original topic, which I’ve now read as it became clear what it was,  how can it cost 9 million quid to fit existing technology to a loco. We really do have to look into why it costs so much to do everything in this country.

[Charles LamontParticipant @charleslamont71117]

The Guardian has finally had to give in and have something like the paywall other online newpapers have had for ages. It is not a charity.

[duncan webster 1]

On duncan webster 1 Said:

[…] how can it cost 9 million quid to fit existing technology to a loco. […]

it doesn’t

Fitting equipment is just a small part of a trial.

I still haven’t read the Grauniad version of the story, but if that’s the impression it gives, I can only sigh.

MichaelG.

[An OtherParticipant @another21905]

Hi, Charles – The Guardian doesn’t have a paywall, unlike many online papers, but it does ask for voluntary contributions – all content is accessible freely even if you choose not to donate.

It does present a banner about this when you open the site, and occasionally requests are inserted in articles – but they can be cancelled or postponed without affecting the article text.  As far as I know, it is one of the very few online news sites which do not put all or part of their content behind a paywall.

Rather a sad comment that my post provoked some of the uninformed posts in this thread, rather than with regard to the link content.

[An Other]

On An Other Said:

Hi, Charles – The Guardian doesn’t have a paywall, unlike many online papers, but it does ask for voluntary contributions – all content is accessible freely even if you choose not to donate.

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Sorry if this offends you An Other … but I must point out that the ‘Extortion’ pop-up that I posted earlier does not give me the option to access the text without giving either money or my personal information. … and I do not consider that to be “freely” !

The begging text that they add to the bottom of many articles is a different matter.

MichaelG.

[John HaineParticipant @johnhaine32865]

Well you don’t get to read the guardian in a newsagent for free so why should you not pay on the web? Buying the paper costs 3.20 a day so a fiver a month is a bargain. The article is reasonably thorough and explains that as well as the standard equipment they had to fit a new steam turbo alternator for power, do a load of environmental protection work to enable the kit to work in the dreadful conditions on a steam locomotive and to allow the user interface to work in a loco cab rather than the benign conditions of a modern engine’s cockpit.  Maybe people should read it rather than snide about the newspaper?

[An OtherParticipant @another21905]

Hi, Michael,

I see no reason to be offended at your post, and thank you for the follow-ups to my first post.

It seems we may be having a different ‘experience’ for some reason. I have been a long time reader of the Guardian (and many other online newspapers) virtually since they started, and I have never seen the ‘Extortion’ pop-up you posted earlier.

When I open the site (without an account), I get a large blue banner across the bottom warning me ‘its my choice’ to accept their cookies (which are clearly defined in their Privacy Policy, unlike many sites). I can simply click on this and move on to the content. It doesn’t block me.

I do know if you have an account, such as it offers, then you can enable/disable ‘some’ cookies, but I use external tools to block cookies.

I do get ‘begging requests’ at the end of some articles, but they do not interfere with the content, unlike many news sites.

I don’t know if it is the case, but it would appear that different ‘areas’ seem to be getting different ‘site intrusions’ on the Guardian – very odd, and I don’t know why we should have differences.

On the subject of cookies, I use browser tools/add-ons to block cookies, and my browser clears all cookies when it is closed down – and that has never caused me any problems. In particular, I block all cookies from sites like Microsoft, Google and some others as being particularly intrusive.

I also use a browser tool to block advertisements – it occurs to me that perhaps that is blocking the ‘pop-up’ you posted, but I haven’t had time to check yet.

Of more concern to me is that I posted a link which I considered interesting, yet many postings simply ignore this, and refuse to click on an uncommented link – which is exactly what occurs on any website.

I just saw Johns post, and am 100% in agreement – he states the case clearly – so take it or leave it. I only provided a link for its interest content – people weren’t forced to read it.

 

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