Gatwick Drone ‘Attack’

[Robert Atkinson 2Participant @robertatkinson2]

There are lots of options available to a determined wrongdoer. You don't have to use off the shelf devices with known technology. I bought a high speed jet propelled UAV from Holland several years ago

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This was pre-gps and could fly a pre-programmed route using internal sensors only. £1200 including the ground support and flight programming equipment.

I'm not going to go into other options on a public forum and suggest others don't either.

Robert G8RPI.

[Chris TriceParticipant @christrice43267]

Posted by Joseph Noci 1 on 04/01/2019 11:16:01:

And then there is this theory – Does seem quite credible – most of the public dronesightings 'were' in fact Police drones trying to chase and find hackers who had hacked the Gatwick Flight Controller systems, thereby preventing safe management of flights …'Nothing' to do with drones being the reason for flights grounded..

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Joe

There is another theory that there was a credible terrorist threat of some sort and on safety grounds without "scaring" the public, the drone story was concocted to cancel flights while the terrorist issue was identified and dealt with.

[Cornish JackParticipant @cornishjack]

S O D – " This wasn't an isolated incident: bribery, sabotage, bigamy, seduction, arms trafficking, destabilising governments, he did it all. "

NO change there, then !

rgds

Bill

[Pete WhiteParticipant @petewhite15172]

A couple of good theories, but where do the couple that the police detained for 36 hours fit in? did they exist ?lol

[Mark RandParticipant @markrand96270]

In the mean time, Coventry council have just announced that they are going to ban all drone and UAV flights over council owned public spaces except for limited pre-authorised commercial flights, with an additional charge for any photography that takes place.

I'm not actually certain that this decision would stand up if challenged in court.

[Robert Atkinson 2Participant @robertatkinson2]

Posted by Mark Rand on 04/01/2019 16:05:56:

In the mean time, Coventry council have just announced that they are going to ban all drone and UAV flights over council owned public spaces except for limited pre-authorised commercial flights, with an additional charge for any photography that takes place.

 

I'm not actually certain that this decision would stand up if challenged in court.

In reality they don't need additional laws, it's virtually impossible to operate a UAV from a public place without breaching the exisiting law (Air Navigation Order). even if you waited until the area as clear before taking off you can't stop somene wandering into your landing area.

 

 

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[Ron ColvinParticipant @roncolvin83430]

The drones now appear to have moved on to Heathrow.

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[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Looks like Stuart Cundy, of the Met, has upped the stakes:

“Under the Aviation Security Act it is an offence to endanger the safety of an aircraft, anyone found guilty of this offence could face a life sentence."

MichaelG.

[BufferParticipant @buffer]

Imagine how easy it would be to disable the RAF quick reaction force, just fly a drone or two around the runways. And how long will it be before the local scum bags take out the police helicopters while their mates go out and do a nights work?

[Pete WhiteParticipant @petewhite15172]

I don't we are getting all the information here……………..as usual .

[Mike PooleParticipant @mikepoole82104]

I doubt the RAF would be deterred by a random drone but imagine a cloud of explosive drones to protect a sensitive installation from attack, a weapon that if not used would return to its charge point and wait for the next alert.

Mike

[Ian S CParticipant @iansc]

The other night the Police Helicopter in Auckland NZ had to with – draw and land when it came within 5 /10 metres at about 420 metres altitude.

Ian S C

[Chris TriceParticipant @christrice43267]

The real danger is going to be drones carrying explosives to their target. With a live camera link, you can pretty much fly it through any opening large enough to accommodate it.

[mechman48Participant @mechman48]

Simple answer would be … whoever buys a drone has to register it with the CAA with it's serial #, model #, name & address of the owner. These drones are usually operable within a 1or 2 kilometres of the control system ( apart from industrial / film / TV production models ) so should one be 'captured' then the authorities only have to look within that radius to locate the owner …?. Just my two pence worth.

George.

[Robert Atkinson 2Participant @robertatkinson2]

Posted by mechman48 on 09/01/2019 10:58:23:

Simple answer would be … whoever buys a drone has to register it with the CAA with it's serial #, model #, name & address of the owner. These drones are usually operable within a 1or 2 kilometres of the control system ( apart from industrial / film / TV production models ) so should one be 'captured' then the authorities only have to look within that radius to locate the owner …?. Just my two pence worth.

George.

1/ Why would a criminal register a drone? Limiting supply or sales would be difficult with a global market and even DIY kits **LINK**

2/ You don't need an operator. Drones can be pre-programmed and could be pre-placed on a roof days previously. GPS is not the only navigation option and you can't go jamming GPS at an airport anyway.

3/ If active "man in loop control" was needed then there are various methods that could be used for long distance control.

This is potentially a big problem and there are other variations that could make a drone more of a hazard but I'm not going to give potential wrongdoers any hints.

Robert.

[David Standing 1Participant @davidstanding1]

Posted by mechman48 on 09/01/2019 10:58:23:

Simple answer would be … whoever buys a drone has to register it with the CAA with it's serial #, model #, name & address of the owner. These drones are usually operable within a 1or 2 kilometres of the control system ( apart from industrial / film / TV production models ) so should one be 'captured' then the authorities only have to look within that radius to locate the owner …?. Just my two pence worth.

George.

Just like banning handguns in 1997 stopped hand gun crime in England.

So you buy a drone directly from China via eBay, and don't register it with the CAA.

How is that then policed?

[Ron ColvinParticipant @roncolvin83430]

Posted by Richard brown 1 on 09/01/2019 08:27:23:

Imagine how easy it would be to disable the RAF quick reaction force, just fly a drone or two around the runways. And how long will it be before the local scum bags take out the police helicopters while their mates go out and do a nights work?

Drones could provide a much more cost effective way to keep track of the scum bags than the helicopter.

[Sam Longley 1Participant @samlongley1]

Posted by mechman48 on 09/01/2019 10:58:23:

Simple answer would be … whoever buys a drone has to register it with the CAA with it's serial #, model #, name & address of the owner. These drones are usually operable within a 1or 2 kilometres of the control system ( apart from industrial / film / TV production models ) so should one be 'captured' then the authorities only have to look within that radius to locate the owner …?. Just my two pence worth.

George.

Most of the members in my club make their own from scratch, as do people I know who are not members of clubs.The parts are readily obtainable from such a wide source (& for a range of uses other than drones) that they are virtually untraceable

As an aside, I watched the programme a few months ago about the Battle of Britain where they had models flying in combat. I seem to recall that some had lasers & successfully "shot down" the opposition. If these lasers are successful at disabling the electronics; then I am sure that I could soon be skillful enough to down a drone, from another drone, with a laser, once I saw one & could chase after it. That must be a cheap way of doing it, provided one could get near enough in time- That being the problem.

[Chris TriceParticipant @christrice43267]

In the Battle Of Britain program, the planes shot down were programmed to do so when they registered a hit on themselves. They weren't literally shot down with a laser. The same technology is used in places like Laserquest where people wear jackets that register enemy hits on themselves.

[VicParticipant @vic]

Posted by Pete White on 09/01/2019 09:28:46:

I don't we are getting all the information here……………..as usual .

Yes. I think it's been agreed now that the only drones at Gatwick were ones used by the Police?!

[Robert Atkinson 2Participant @robertatkinson2]

Posted by Vic on 09/01/2019 17:01:04:

Posted by Pete White on 09/01/2019 09:28:46:

I don't we are getting all the information here……………..as usual .

Yes. I think it's been agreed now that the only drones at Gatwick were ones used by the Police?!

NO it's not. The police have specifically stated this was not the case and ther were several credible witnesses. Police only flew their drones after the airport was closed. The Air Navigation Order applies to them too.

[VicParticipant @vic]

Posted by Robert Atkinson 2 on 09/01/2019 18:24:32:

Posted by Vic on 09/01/2019 17:01:04:

Posted by Pete White on 09/01/2019 09:28:46:

I don't we are getting all the information here……………..as usual .

Yes. I think it's been agreed now that the only drones at Gatwick were ones used by the Police?!

NO it's not. The police have specifically stated this was not the case and ther were several credible witnesses. Police only flew their drones after the airport was closed. The Air Navigation Order applies to them too.

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[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Vic on 09/01/2019 19:18:51:

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[Barnaby WildeParticipant @barnabywilde70941]

I think it's safe to say now that the initial reports of a drone were internal sabotage linked to the GAP/Vinci deal.

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 09/01/2019 19:24:15:

Posted by Vic on 09/01/2019 19:18:51:

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… The opening words of that report are 'Some of …"

Don't spoil a good story with facts

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