D1-3 compatibility

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Gary Wooding on 06/08/2014 13:50:46:

I used to have a Boxford BUD that had a Burnerd lever-operated Multisize collet chuck. I replaced the lathe with one that has a D1-3 spindle, but kept the collet chuck that, alas, no longer fits.

If you have a D1-3 collet chuck and need one that fits a Boxford AUD, BUD, or CUD, then maybe we can trade?

Gary

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Gary,

Thanks for the offer … I will remember it if I should end up buying a Boxford A/B/C

MichaelG.

P.S. [mine is the key operated body, which I prefer]

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Bob Brown 1 on 06/08/2014 13:54:55:

I did not read the original question correctly, so I would think a short bed 20" Colchester Bantam or a Harrison M250 is probably going to be the smallest.

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Thanks Bob

MichaelG.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by John McNamara on 06/08/2014 14:12:47:

… Din 55027/5 spindle nose. This is basically the same as a Din 55029 (D1) spindle nose but the chuck has studs with nuts that attach through keyholes in a rotating bayonet ring instead of the cams on a D1.

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John,

Thanks for that … very useful information.

MichaelG.

[John Stevenson 1Participant @johnstevenson1]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 06/08/2014 13:41:49:

Quite possibly, John

… or maybe like making a Buell because you had a Harley Davidson engine available?

[feel free to subsitute other engine/frame combinations according to taste]

MichaelG.

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In which case any other combination would show taste.

[Tony RayParticipant @tonyray65007]

Another lathe not mentioned so far is the Viceroy 280, probably similar to the Boxfords of the D1-3 variety, They seem to go for lower prices , probably because they are less wheel known. I agree if you really have no room for a D1-3 lathe, sell the chuck. A L00 nosed Boxford is probably going to set you back the same as a Bantam which really isn't a lot bigger

Tony

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

For those who don't quite "get" what I want … this Nichols lathe is heading in the right direction, although the fitting is only D1-2 and it's disproportionately long.

A chunkier version of this; with the headstock scaled up to D1-3 would do nicely.

MichaelG.

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Edit: Maybe proportioned more like the short-bed AV1-K shown here.

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 06/08/2014 20:03:44

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 06/08/2014 20:04:28

[BazyleParticipant @bazyle]

Are there any capstan lathes that fit the bill? They tend to have shorter beds I think..

Funny how we folk end up with bits like this. I have a 5C nose from a CVA that is also D1-3. I'd quite like the lathe it belongs to.

[Andrew EvansParticipant @andrewevans67134]

I second the Denford 280 option which uses D1-3. I have one and it's a very good lathe which I got for a great price. Not sure why they are so cheap, they are certainly ugly and have plasticky handles and knobs but seem to be a fundamentally well made and very strong. They don't take up much more space than a Myford but weigh about 3 times as much.

The Burnerd collet chucks are great if you have one.

I like the camlock fitting, it makes it so easy to change chucks in a secure and repeatable way.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Tony and Andrew,

Thanks for mentioning the Denford 280 Viceroy … I was not aware of it, and it may be my best option.

It appears to be of modular construction [i.e. headstock is easily removed from bed] … is that correct?

Do you have any photographs or parts diagrams that you could share? and are there any particular weaknesses that I shoud be wary of, if buying?

MichaelG.

[Bob Brown 1Participant @bobbrown1]

I suppose a question to ask would be what foot print?

To this end I've started a thread http://www.model-engineer.co.uk/forums/postings.asp?th=98620&p=1#PostTop

Edited By Bob Brown 1 on 07/08/2014 11:13:28

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Good move, Bob

… It could provide a useful reference

Thanks

MichaelG

[Andrew EvansParticipant @andrewevans67134]

Viceroy headstock can be removed, I think it would need a long handled Allen key though as the bolts are at the bottom of what is effectively a deep box.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Andrew Evans on 08/08/2014 20:16:40:

Viceroy headstock can be removed, I think it would need a long handled Allen key though as the bolts are at the bottom of what is effectively a deep box.

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Thanks, Andrew

… Much appreciated.

MichaelG.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Andrew,

I have just downloaded a useful "Headstock Arrangement" drawing, from here.

There may be other items of interest in that section of their forum.

MichaelG.

[Mike PooleParticipant @mikepoole82104]

I think I would make a Buell if I had a complete Harley available!

Mike

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Me too, Mike

MichaelG.

[Richard Wilson 4Participant @richardwilson4]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 07/08/2014 10:28:11:

Tony and Andrew,

Thanks for mentioning the Denford 280 Viceroy … I was not aware of it, and it may be my best option.

It appears to be of modular construction [i.e. headstock is easily removed from bed] … is that correct?

Do you have any photographs or parts diagrams that you could share? and are there any particular weaknesses that I shoud be wary of, if buying?

MichaelG.

The 280 is quite big (I've got one) with a footprint 54" x25". The only thing to be wary of is that the reduction gears in the headstock are a form of plastic, very durable and long lasting if treated with proper respect, but if some clumsy —person– has tried changing from high to low or vice versa on the move, they can be damaged. If you are buying one, watch out for this.

Do I gather you would think of stripping a 280 of its headstock? You would probably be better looking for one with the variable speed change lever on top of the headstock, rather than the one with the electric speed change mechanism – the motor for this is 440 v 3 phase and apparently doesn't like being fed 240v via an inverter.

Richard

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Richard,

Thanks for posting this [sorry, I only spotted it is morning]

Following the advice given by others, I have in fact sold the MultiSize chuck instead of looking for a small lathe to accept it.

You will see, on another thread, that I have bought a Myford ML7-R … This has substantially bigger capacity than my Pultra, and will fit the space available.

Expediency triumphed in the end, although I'm not yet convinved it was the right decision.

MichaelG.

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 22/09/2014 09:46:34

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