Cost of deliveries

[JonParticipant @jon]

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 12/12/2018 12:08:38:

Posted by Jon on 11/12/2018 22:05:54:

Simple just build it in to overall cost.

But then you make the item unappealing to UK buyers, who are the most likely market.

True in one sense as we dont produce anything any more, on the other hand delivery no matter where you are has to be paid.
No different to UK shopping inland price is an overall cost not just the product ignoring delivery and associated extras. There again you could sell an item cheap and pass the collection onus to buyer travelling a 400 mile round trip which in all reality wouldnt show up as a cost of at least £180 (45p/mile what UK gov allows businesses to claim) and hours of downtime.

So if countries like US charge exorbitant delivery presumably on basis they dont want the hassle of export, customs etc and all that goes with it, theyre not worth dealing with. Works both ways, or one way in this instance for many years.

US to import 2 off 51 1/2" long x 18" wide x 3 1/2" thick boxed each weighing 88lb was £236 delivery in 2006. Now you wont find any that will undertake the shipping outside US regardless of price.
England exporting to US an item £900 turns out to a US buyer paying £1600 region and gone up massively in the last year to deter foreign imports. Theyre going ape over it, what was $2000 now around $2800 in last 12 months.

[not done it yetParticipant @notdoneityet]

Shipping should be added to get to the overall cost. Multiple items, in one package, should cost less than sending each item separately.

In the past, I have made several separate orders to epayers because they would not reduce the overall shipping costs for a combined consignment. It did not save me anything, but doubtlessly reduced their profit, or increased their handling times. My time, now I am retired, is not costed like it was when I was working.

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by Jon on 13/12/2018 18:17:56:

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 12/12/2018 12:08:38:

Posted by Jon on 11/12/2018 22:05:54:

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But then you make the item unappealing to UK buyers, who are the most likely market.

 

True in one sense as we dont produce anything any more.

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This is a common misconception and I doubt anything I say will change opinions. However the value of UK manufacturing is worth proportionally slightly more than it was in the golden age. In 2017 about £400Bn.

I think people believe UK manufacturing has disappeared because visibility has dropped and large numbers of jobs have gone. Modern manufacturing is often low-key. It's done by small numbers of people in relatively small nondescript units tucked away on business parks. It tends to be very mechanised and to be making high value products. In comparison, in the recent past British industry was high profile and very, very obvious: coal mines, smoke stacks, cranes, shipbuilding, iron ore, heavy chemicals, steel works, slag heaps, quarries, railways, factories, foundries, potteries, busy ports etc. Lots of labour intensive activity providing plenty of skilled and semi-skilled jobs. Good jobs too.

Trouble is much of this obvious industrial activity gradually came to be both inefficient and low-value. Times change. You do not get rich in 2018 doing basic engineering! And it is very dangerous to compete using out-dated methods with anyone operating modern plant with low cost labour. British industry had to change and it did. Successfully.

I can't defend the way it was done. Lot's of people got badly hurt in the process. All too often the change was done brutally, incompetently, or even maliciously.

Me too. If anyone out there is prepared to pay 1970 staff shortage rates for an ex-COBOL programmer let me know…

Despite appearances it's not true we've become a nation of hairdressers!

Dave

 

 

Edited By SillyOldDuffer on 13/12/2018 20:20:00

[Mike PooleParticipant @mikepoole82104]

The car plant I worked at for 44 years employed 28,000 men when I started and produced around 300,000 cars a year, it still produces that many but employs 4,500 people and an army of 1,100 robots.

Mike

Edited By Mike Poole on 13/12/2018 20:43:12

[not done it yetParticipant @notdoneityet]

Dave,

Is that 400 billion an absolute or comparative value for the worth of the GBP of exports some decades ago?

[FMESParticipant @fmes]

Something else to watch out for is importation from the US. As prices have risen in the American markets, the price of Castings on the larger engines has made them enter into requiring an 'Importers Licence' by the buyer.

Having filled out all the relevant forms – graciously supplied by UPS in this instance, it was discovered that the price for importation and delivery only extended to the UK airport and not to your door.

Price for shipping $1800 worth of castings was $400 including importation duties, plus another £160 to get it from the airport to home.

Buyers beware

Regards

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

Posted by Mike Poole on 13/12/2018 20:35:55:

The car plant I worked at for 44 years employed 28,000 men when I started and produced around 300,000 cars a year, it still produces that many but employs 4,500 people and an army of 1,100 robots.

Mike

Edited By Mike Poole on 13/12/2018 20:43:12

Amazing numbers there. I'm always gobsmacked when watching videos of modern car factories. There is nobody there compared with when I worked in the industry in the 1970s. And the spotless floors, how do they do that?

[Danny M2ZParticipant @dannym2z]

Re: Cheap shipping from China.

I was told/read a few years ago that their government policy was not to allow a ship to leave China with unused space in a shipping container.

The surplus space was allocated to smaller exporter's at a vastly reduced rate to encourage exports/local industries and to gain overseas currency.

Whether this is factually correct I am not certain but it does make economic sense.

* Danny M *

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

The Chinese government openly subsidises export shipping, sometimes up to 100 per cent subsidy. The system you describe, filling every corner of every ship and every container with cut-price freight is common practice worldwide in air freight. It's how manymagazines etc are delivered to other countries. Makes sense both economically and environmentally. (Not that anyone in global trade seems to care about the latter!)

[JonParticipant @jon]

Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 13/12/2018 20:11:30:

I think people believe UK manufacturing has disappeared because visibility has dropped and large numbers of jobs have gone.

In comparison, in the recent past British industry was high profile and very, very obvious: coal mines, smoke stacks, cranes, shipbuilding, iron ore, heavy chemicals, steel works, slag heaps, quarries, railways, factories, foundries, potteries, busy ports etc. Lots of labour intensive activity providing plenty of skilled and semi-skilled jobs. Good jobs too.

Trouble is much of this obvious industrial activity gradually came to be both inefficient and low-value. Times change. You do not get rich in 2018 doing basic engineering! And it is very dangerous to compete using out-dated methods with anyone operating modern plant with low cost labour. British industry had to change and it did. Successfully.

I'll have to put you right on certain things there within UK GDP in UK is sub 2.5% (peanuts.) Rest made of our wealth is made up of non productive such as banking in London.

Its not inefficient to support your own economy and lose all rights, money is ploughed back in rather than supporting foreign countries.
Do agree the get rich days are mostly gone, but whats it done to economy and labour force, we have nothing. Tell you what attempt to fill in anything that asks your job role, nothing exists even Engineering is swabbed off on other newly created things.

Out dated methods funny, i compete with cncers worldwide and wipe the floor with them. Theyre just basic non savy couldnt care less and do whats quickest to eliminate tooling, setups, programming and operations involved mean while baffling you with science, charging 40% more for 1/14 th the work. Theyre always the ones touting for work often paying exorbitant marketing costs monthly, i havent and never would lower myself to do any that for one main reason, i dont need to.

[TrickyParticipant @tricky]

Posted by Jon on 14/12/2018 11:34:20:

I'll have to put you right on certain things there within UK GDP in UK is sub 2.5% (peanuts.) Rest made of our wealth is made up of non productive such as banking in London.

Depends on where you get your statistics from! I found

According to EEF, UK manufacturing currently:

• employs 2.6 million people
• contributes 11% of GVA
• accounts for 44% of total exports
• represents 70% of business research and development (R&D)
• provides 13% of business investment

[steve bowdenParticipant @stevebowden90688]

Top this one if you can. I need some comressor gaskets from the USA. Cost is $7. Postage is $49.50 by courier and incudes the import duty and vat. However that is zero below £15 value. Posted air mail by USPS would be $2.40 for the size and weight. Needless to say I no longer have air conditioning in my car. I could afford to lose a lot in the post before hitting $49.50.

[JonParticipant @jon]

You have to decipher what they now call manufacturing from the real manufacturing as in actually producing something, theres a big difference.
Categorised in this Mining, Quarrying, Water Supply, Waste Management just to name a few are included in production.

Latest Office for National Statistics puts 'Production' at sub 2% 10th December 2017.

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