Coronavirus

[pgk pgkParticipant @pgkpgk17461]

The NHS has always put a value on life – a necessary evil in the economic realities

Link – How NICE approaches value for money

The only 'good' thing about the enormous debts this disease is causing is that it affects most countries similarly so essentially the balance between them stays except those few countries with negative debt China, perhaps Germany and a few others. The sooner a country gets 'up and running' the better placed it will be to make headway in the race up the charts of power. That's why economies dithered over lockdowns and why they will still be considering the pros and cons of just letting things go rampant and get it over with. It's probably social media and associated public opinion that's holding many back?

However harsh that sounds the reality is that warfare comes down to economics. It's what lead to the collapse of the Soviet Union. It's what cost the UK the British Empire after 2 world wars. The Crusades failed due to greed. In Warfare it's more damging to the enemy to wound their soldiers than kill them – ties up resources and costs. The race between countries for trade and posturing for negotiating power tied to the strength of their economies has always been a form of warfare without overt armed conflict.

Boris experiencing a rough go through the disease may be benefit us with more sympathy and understanding.

It's all well and good arguing about a pandemic was forecast 'sometime' but so it the fall-out of climate change, terrorism, floods and other catastrophes. There isn't enough money to mitigate against them all.

Or indeed much that most of us can do to influence whatever comes next apart from following instructions. Everyone's life is finite so use it doing the stuff you enjoy.

pgk

[Bill PhinnParticipant @billphinn90025]

Posted by pgk pgk on 10/04/2020 18:05:21:

apart from following instructions.

pgk

…and, in liberal democracies, challenging these instructions and sometimes not following them where they are found to be unlawful or unjust.

[Former MemberParticipant @formermember19781]

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[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

NEWS : **LINK**

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-10/apple-google-bring-covid-19-contact-tracing-to-3-billion-people?utm_campaign=news&utm_medium=bd&utm_source=applenews

Make of it what you will …

MichaelG.

[Martin KyteParticipant @martinkyte99762]

Posted by pgk pgk on 10/04/2020 18:05:21:

The NHS has always put a value on life – a necessary evil in the economic realities

Link – How NICE approaches value for money

pgk

That's not how I read it. The task of NICE is to maximise the good the NHS can do with finite resources or how to get the best possible return for the population with the resources it has at it's disposal. Certainly not an easy task or by any means exact. The ultimate restriction on what the NHS can do is how much tax all of us are prepared to pay but the certainly try and make the most of what they do get.

regards Martin

[Oven ManParticipant @ovenman]

Posted by V8Eng on 10/04/2020 15:10:25:

Posted by modeng2000 on 10/04/2020 14:22:27:

I hope they don't use this as away of reducing the population to save building more housing.

With all these people of breeding age in many countries being locked in for weeks I reckon we will see a baby boom early next year.

Hope they’ve got plenty of Midwives trained.

Edited By V8Eng on 10/04/2020 15:11:26

Be interesting to see what the divorce rate does as well.

Peter

[V8EngParticipant @v8eng]

Posted by Oven Man on 10/04/2020 21:58:21:

Posted by V8Eng on 10/04/2020 15:10:25:

Posted by modeng2000 on 10/04/2020 14:22:27:

I hope they don't use this as away of reducing the population to save building more housing.

With all these people of breeding age in many countries being locked in for weeks I reckon we will see a baby boom early next year.

Hope they’ve got plenty of Midwives trained.

Edited By V8Eng on 10/04/2020 15:11:26

Be interesting to see what the divorce rate does as well.

Peter

Rather more bad news is that domestic violence is apparently increasing during the lockdown.

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

On More of Less (one of the best programmes on R4 IME) the suggestion was it might go down as teenagers are less able to meet up, people can't get infertility treatment and people facing economic uncertainty try to avoid getting pregnant.

Neil

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

I found this inspiring. He's raised over £100K for NHS charities.

**LINK**

Neil

[SteviegtrParticipant @steviegtr]

Wow. Bless him.

Steve.

[Ady1Participant @ady1]

Saw not a few youngsters hanging out with each other while out today

This good weather is going to make things more difficult

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

This is [in my opinion] worth reading: **LINK**

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/copper-virus-kill-180974655/

… and yes, there is some documented scientific study being discussed.

MichaelG.

[Former MemberParticipant @formermember19781]

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[Steve Skelton 1Participant @steveskelton1]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 15/04/2020 11:33:28:

This is [in my opinion] worth reading: **LINK**

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/copper-virus-kill-180974655/

… and yes, there is some documented scientific study being discussed.

MichaelG.

That is why copper is used as an antifouling on boats (old sailing ships were copper-clad and hence the expression "Copper clad investment" and why an exposed copper wire along the ridge tile will prevent the growth of moss etc on tiles.

Steve

[Former MemberParticipant @formermember19781]

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[SamsarandaParticipant @samsaranda]

And the Duke of Westminster can only manage £12.5 million out of his £10 billion fortune. Well done Tom Moore.

Dave W

[Enough!Participant @enough]

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

I'll refrain from sharing the picture of me wearing a pair of y-fronts as a mask/balaclava…

Neil

[JourneymanParticipant @journeyman]

Bandersnatch, glad to see you are keeping abreast of the situation 😁

John

[Kiwi BlokeParticipant @kiwibloke62605]

Important warning for anyone making masks from bras – only use the left cup. You don't want to end up looking like a right tit.

[SteviegtrParticipant @steviegtr]

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 11/04/2020 18:19:19:

I found this inspiring. He's raised over £100K for NHS charities.

**LINK**

Neil

He was up to 8 million today.

Steve.

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Posted by Steviegtr on 15/04/2020 22:23:28:

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 11/04/2020 18:19:19:

I found this inspiring. He's raised over £100K for NHS charities.

**LINK**

Neil

He was up to 8 million today.

Steve.

10 now!

I see a 106 year old lady who went in to hospital with pneumonia in March has survived coronavirus and just been discharged.

[Enough!Participant @enough]

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 15/04/2020 19:45:42:

I'll refrain from sharing the picture of me wearing a pair of y-fronts as a mask/balaclava…

Thanks!

[Anthony KnightsParticipant @anthonyknights16741]

Not perfect but better than nothing.

[Ian Skeldon 2Participant @ianskeldon2]

A day full of mixed emotion, firstly extreme joy as we have had a delivery of 3m masks, that is a fantastic step forward and lifted all of our spirits. It didn't last long, at 11:00 we went out of the ward to line the corridor and hold a minutes silence in memory of our colleague Brian who sadly died from covid 19. After lunch a personal lift for me as I managed to get IV access in a very poorly patient, sadly a few hours later it proved to be too little, too late. I actually went out at 8pm to clap, I expected to be one of a very small number, the whole damn street was out. A day with both ups and downs. Please maintain your social distancing as we did have a dilemma this afternoon with who should get ventilation and who will have to wait a bit longer for another one to become free.

STAY SAFE

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