Coronavirus death stats

[Anthony KendallParticipant @anthonykendall53479]

Front line staff in the NHS are lions led by donkeys and that's an insult to donkeys.

I think that might be true of at least the NHS procurement department who let down the front line staff with poor supplies of PPE – I think they were totally incompetent and, somehow managed to blame the government for it all.

Edited By Anthony Kendall on 16/01/2021 09:03:34

[JAParticipant @ja]

Posted by Raphael Golez on 15/01/2021 23:11:29:

Just finished another relentless week of fighting C-19. My ward has become a full C-19 ward. I handle 28 Covid -19 patients plus another 15 medical outliers. My ward had been full since mid December and the hospital is over flowing. My colleagues in the medical and healthcare profession are all exhausted and we also do get sick from COVID-19. All I can say is we are saving peoples lives as much as we can sadly the hard truth is we cannot save them all despite whatever we do. I don't hesitate to treat my patients and I face the enemy day in and day out and this is our reality. All I wish is this to be over soon as we are all exhausted. Be safe everyone.

Raphael

Edited By Raphael Golez on 15/01/2021 23:12:17

Edited By Raphael Golez on 15/01/2021 23:12:42

Raphael

Thanks for the posting. There is little more that I can really say but I wish you and your colleagues patience and success.

Hopefully all this will end.

JA

[Raphael GolezParticipant @raphaelgolez]

Posted by JA on 16/01/2021 09:36:45:

Posted by Raphael Golez on 15/01/2021 23:11:29:

Just finished another relentless week of fighting C-19. My ward has become a full C-19 ward. I handle 28 Covid -19 patients plus another 15 medical outliers. My ward had been full since mid December and the hospital is over flowing. My colleagues in the medical and healthcare profession are all exhausted and we also do get sick from COVID-19. All I can say is we are saving peoples lives as much as we can sadly the hard truth is we cannot save them all despite whatever we do. I don't hesitate to treat my patients and I face the enemy day in and day out and this is our reality. All I wish is this to be over soon as we are all exhausted. Be safe everyone.

Raphael

Edited By Raphael Golez on 15/01/2021 23:12:17

Edited By Raphael Golez on 15/01/2021 23:12:42

Raphael

Thanks for the posting. There is little more that I can really say but I wish you and your colleagues patience and success.

Hopefully all this will end.

JA

Thank you JA, being in the front line since all of this started about a year ago and witnessing the impact to our lives greatly saddened me. We all have to sacrifice and adopt to the situations. I witness it all. I know there are so many opinions, suggestions and recommendations but the truth is there are also so many unknowns. We are learning as we go along. What is difficult at times is trying to understand everything which in my opinion is going to be difficult to know all the answers to our questions. It might be very easy to be judgemental and say what we think is the right things to do but we are not in that position including myself. Im sure that if we are in their shoe (our leaders) we will also be doing what is best but then again we will be heavily criticised of our actions and mistakes. Its our human nature to blame others and think our opinion and expertise is right but I personally think that it is more dynamic than that. We are influence by our emotions and that's how we are as human beings. What I can say is Im doing my best and contributing to the fight for Covid-19. I will keep doing my part as this is what I know best. I will leave politics aside and help all the patient that needs me. I have to think of the people from other countries that have no healthcare system such as the NHS, surely they have all the right to live also but the interplay of society let them down but its not my role to judge. I am hoping that we all have to be positive and help ourselves and our society but I understand how our human nature affects us all. Only time can tell and this event is going to be our children's children and future generation to reflect upon and learn from it as we all do in our history.

Raphael

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

+1 for JA’s comment

My much-modified heart is with you, Raphael

 

MichaelG.

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Edit: __ Posted that before I saw your response to JA

…. Can’t add anything except yet more thanks to you, and everyone who is fighting for mankind.

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 16/01/2021 10:39:53

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

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Thanks,

Dave

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

Hear hear. I'll second that, Michael Gilligan. (Except the modified heart bit. Mine is still the original black.)

Keep up the good work Raphael and we do appreciate all that you and your cohort do, behind the clouds of bulldust that inevitably surround such momentous happenings. It's people like you that make it all work, regardless of the politics.

Edited By Hopper on 16/01/2021 10:41:52

[Former MemberParticipant @formermember12892]

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[Ramon WilsonParticipant @ramonwilson3]

Posted by Ian B. on 16/01/2021 07:40:09:

………. I know of other authors, mag contributors and ex suppliers who are pretty disgusted with the whole scene of ME as it has become………..

Hmm ? yes, I wonder why that would be? Wouldn't be because some on here seem more intent on venting their spleen would it – never, surely? can't be. Must just be a lack of interest generally.

Raphael's comments says it all – I don't care whether government statistics or announcements from the relevant scientists are false – what on earth would that actually achieve if so. I don't doubt there is some spin on it but, and it's a bloody big BUT, people are dying of this virus at an ever increasing rate and people like Raphael are dealing with it daily against appalling odds whilst others can only see it as justification to have a rant.

As Michael says, Raphael, my heart is with you too and all of your colleagues that face this virus and potential exhaustion in dealing with it on a daily basis.

All I can say is to those who feel it necessary, if ire and angst floats your boat and personal diatribe is all you can offer then you ought to consider whether you are actually in the right place.

I have to say I feel affronted by some of the comment made on here in face of this threat that affects us all.

Only this morning I have been on the Barton Control line Forum to find a well known and highly thought of personality within the hobby has succumbed to Covid's dreadful reputation.

When I posted my pic of Boris I did so with a light heart – somehow, I don't feel quite the same today.

Ramon (Tug)

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

Yes. I think the govt stats could be out by 50 per cent in any given direction and this thing would still be a calamity when viewed objectively from the hospital wards.

[Alan JacksonParticipant @alanjackson47790]

"As Michael says, Raphael, my heart is with you too and all of your colleagues that face this virus and potential exhaustion in dealing with it on a daily basis." Good true words.

Alan

[Howard LewisParticipant @howardlewis46836]

On one hand we have Raphael and his many colleagues, doing whatever they can to support and heal the sick.

On the other hand we have the politicians who are feeding bus information

No prizes for guessing which group I support!

Having worked in purchasing, (High volume, high value, items ) I have my views on the apparent efficiency of the NHS purchasing organisation, but am not going to publicise them here..

Howard

Edited By Howard Lewis on 16/01/2021 12:00:11

[vic francisParticipant @vicfrancis]

Posted by jimmy b on 16/01/2021 07:28:22:

It would appear that some people really do think they know everything…..

As NDIY says, stay in your shed…..

Jim

Hi Jim, I certainly dont know everything but looking at the poor nurse on tv yesterday I could see the fit of her band mask was poor ; very sad to see…the gaps either side of her nose would be drawing in unfiltered air… the band concertina type mask is one of the poorest ones i have looked and tried. The cup type ones are much better but require careful fitting;I feel the disposable screw on filters would have been the way to go; the rubber mask could be easily sterilised or wiped after use. Model Engineers are practical folk…and observers of detail; so Jim I do not say I know everything; but a friend of ours died from Covid on Tuesday, drove the Black Hawthorne No3 040 st; At Kettering Furnaces, so whatever your point of view, be very careful and yes stay in the shed.

[SteviegtrParticipant @steviegtr]

Strangely i was in the shed today when i got the call. I am booked in for Thursday at Tadcaster surgery. 1st jab. I have not left the house for weeks. Critically at risk. Take care all. Things should start to ease in the weeks or months to come.

Steve.

[Former MemberParticipant @formermember12892]

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[SteviegtrParticipant @steviegtr]

Posted by br on 16/01/2021 21:01:22:

Good news for you Steve and fingers crossed for the easing as you say.

br

PS Wife was well impressed with your flowers.

Edited By br on 16/01/2021 21:15:52

. Steve.

[Bill PhinnParticipant @billphinn90025]

On the subject of the vaccination, I'm not sure how many people are aware that an important part of the NHS' information concerning making an online booking for your vaccination appointments is actually incorrect, namely this bit:

"you have to wait for your invitation letter or a call from your GP before you can book your vaccination appointments"

If you are currently eligible you do not need to wait for the letter or a call from your GP; you can just go straight online and book. At least you could a few days ago, when I told my astonished GP that this was the case. Essentially there is no new information in the letter the possession of which is a prerequisite for making your booking. You just have to be eligible.

 

Edited By Bill Phinn on 16/01/2021 21:40:13

[Tony Wright 1Participant @tonywright1]

There is no way in the world some one is going to inject me with a chemical in the vague hope it will protect me from a virus . This is my opinion please don’t have a go at me if you don’t respect MY decision! Thanks

Tony

[Ian PParticipant @ianp]

Posted by Tony Wright 1 on 16/01/2021 21:59:50:

There is no way in the world some one is going to inject me with a chemical in the vague hope it will protect me from a virus . This is my opinion please don’t have a go at me if you don’t respect MY decision! Thanks

Tony

I fully respect your decision and I would not try and persuade you to change it and certainly would not have a go at you. My only question is, what facts or information do you base your decision on?

Ian P

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by vic francis on 16/01/2021 20:30:45:

Posted by jimmy b on 16/01/2021 07:28:22:…

… looking at the poor nurse on tv yesterday I could see the fit of her band mask was poor ; very sad to see…the gaps either side of her nose would be drawing in unfiltered air…

A misunderstanding of what the masks do I think. Their purpose is to catch the globules sprayed about when people cough and sneeze, not to stop the virus itself. Breathing in a scattered shower of individual viruses is much less dangerous than taking in the hundreds of thousands plus carried in a droplet. It's the difference between being stung by a single wasp and being attacked by a swarm.

The masks don't have to be completely sealed because largish droplets can't go round corners. A plastic face-shield open at the bottom also works fairly well.

Masks protect others better than the wearer. If you have covid , but aren't aware yet, the mask catches most of the droplets you would otherwise blast on to bystanders. If everyone wears a mask big high payload droplets have a hard time getting through.

Masks are far from perfect, but like keeping 2 metres apart, or hiding behind a perspex screen they reduce the chance of catching the disease and – with luck – it's seriousness if you do. Best of all – stay at home!

Dave

[Tony Wright 1Participant @tonywright1]

I just think that there has been insufficient time to test it . I thought maybe I’m incorrect it takes more than a few months to design a medication ? Plus again , my thoughts only ! they tested it on the vulnerable old people Incase it doesn’t work in the thought that , it doesn’t matter they will die soon anyway ! I will wait to see the outcome before I take any risks . Hope this makes sense ? Ps I’m nearly old 61 😄

[Ady1Participant @ady1]

I reckon that a lot of people will "wait and see" for six months or so before taking the jab themselves

[SteviegtrParticipant @steviegtr]

I can understand a lot of folk not trusting the NHS jab. I had one such friend. Sadly he died last week. Of Covid 19. A lot of mixed race seem to think it has animal bits in it & others have there own defence, one being Ginger & honey. Never mind. I remember my mum not trusting the jabs we had as kids. That was 60 years ago. . I did have the jab. Apart from my head pointing backwards i seem ok. Take care folks. A few friends also will not have the Flu jab each year. The rest inc me have been having it for over 6 years now.

Steve.

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

Posted by Tony Wright 1 on 16/01/2021 21:59:50:

There is no way in the world some one is going to inject me with a chemical in the vague hope it will protect me from a virus . This is my opinion please don’t have a go at me if you don’t respect MY decision! Thanks

Tony

No, sorry. You are entitled to your opinion but you are not entitled to spread unfounded misinformation on social media that may influence others to make bad decisions.

It is time right-minded people started calling these internet conspiracy theories and the like out for what they are: unfounded misinformation with no basis in reality. The end result of them all too often is the likes of what we saw in Washington DC last week.

It needs to stop.

Why is your posted opinion dangerous misinformation? Because "inject me with a chemical in the vague hope it will protect me from a virus" has no basis in reality. The vaccines have been rapidly developed, yes. But they have a scientifically tested efficacy of 90 to 95 per cent, varying slightly between brands. Nothing vague about it at all. Relying on rigorous scientific method and data, not "vague hope".

Yes testing has been expedited. Partly because of the huge amount of money thrown at it and partly because of the deadly necessity of stemming Covid-19. And the science shows that any added risk due to that is dwarfed by the massive risk of millions more deaths if Covid is allowed to continue as is. So you have to balance a very small risk with vaccine against a very large and rapidly growing risk without vaccine.

So, no I won't respect your unfounded opinion that you dangerously posit on social media where it can contribute to more people delaying or refusing the vaccine that will make us all as safe as possible in the middle of a deadly pandemic.

So I call your opinion out for what it is: unfounded misinformation that has no place on social media.

[SteviegtrParticipant @steviegtr]

Posted by Hopper on 17/01/2021 02:01:04:

Posted by Tony Wright 1 on 16/01/2021 21:59:50:

There is no way in the world some one is going to inject me with a chemical in the vague hope it will protect me from a virus . This is my opinion please don’t have a go at me if you don’t respect MY decision! Thanks

Tony

 

No, sorry. You are entitled to your opinion but you are not entitled to spread unfounded misinformation on social media that may influence others to make bad decisions.

It is time right-minded people started calling these internet conspiracy theories and the like out for what they are: unfounded misinformation with no basis in reality. The end result of them all too often is the likes of what we saw in Washington DC last week.

It needs to stop.

Why is your posted opinion dangerous misinformation? Because "inject me with a chemical in the vague hope it will protect me from a virus" has no basis in reality. The vaccines have been rapidly developed, yes. But they have a scientifically tested efficacy of 90 to 95 per cent, varying slightly between brands. Nothing vague about it at all. Relying on rigorous scientific method and data, not "vague hope".

Yes testing has been expedited. Partly because of the huge amount of money thrown at it and partly because of the deadly necessity of stemming Covid-19. And the science shows that any added risk due to that is dwarfed by the massive risk of millions more deaths if Covid is allowed to continue as is. So you have to balance a very small risk with vaccine against a very large and rapidly growing risk without vaccine.

So, no I won't respect your unfounded opinion that you dangerously posit on social media where it can contribute to more people delaying or refusing the vaccine that will make us all as safe as possible in the middle of a deadly pandemic.

 

So I call your opinion out for what it is: unfounded misinformation that has no place on social media.

OOh nice one Hopper.10 points. Actually 11 cos you have a Myford.

steve.

Edited By Steviegtr on 17/01/2021 02:22:49

[Danny M2ZParticipant @dannym2z]

There are some places in Australia that refuse entry to people who cannot prove that they have been vaccinated.

Eg; Some child care centres deny admission to children whom are not immunised against measles and some aged care facilities deny access to people whom do not have a current influenza vaccination.

I would not be surprised if that in the future, such facilities might require a Covid-19 vaccination certificate.

IMHO people who refuse to be vaccinated (with a proven vaccine) are being quite selfish in putting tthe rest of the community at risk due to their intransigence.

* danny *

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