aluminium grade

[lee J 1Participant @leej1]

hi

could someone advise me as to the best grade of aluminium to use for turning a repair piece for a damaged lathe pulley ?

many thanks

[lee J 1Participant @leej1]

best aluminium grade for pulley wheel

[lee J 1Participant @leej1]

also when it comes to welding aluminium does the grade have any effect ? are some grades more suited to welding than others ?

[Chris Evans 6Participant @chrisevans6]

As a choice with cost/quality considered I tend to go for 6082 T6. Should do all you need.

[Tim StevensParticipant @timstevens64731]

If, like me, you tend to buy chunks of aluminium from ebay (other sources are available) then 6082 T6 is the most common stuff on offer. It turns nicely but I have not needed to weld it – but I'm sure there is advice on this on the web. Or even here in a moment or two.

Cheers, Tim

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

6082 offers a great balance of cost, machinability and strength. Its a sort of do-everything aluminium alloy for the home workshop, except it isn't a casting alloy.

According to AALCO it has excellent weldability but loses some strength in the weld zone.

Some recent digging showed it also anodises well, although it isn't the very best alloy for anodising.

Neil

[Dave Smith 14Participant @davesmith14]

This can be a bit of a can of worms because not all Aluminium's are weldable. Typically you would not weld the 2000, 7000 and a most of the 5000 series. The 6000 series alloys are the only ones with any strength that are normally considered for welding. 6082 welds quite happily. Just remember that the tensile strength in the HAZ of the weld joint will only be around 50 MPa (295 MPa in T6 condition) and will need heat treating if you need the full strength?

Others may say you can weld other grades quite happily. But as a professional engineer, I would advise caution if there are any significant factors that may result in high loads and fatigue.

Dave

[vintagengineerParticipant @vintagengineer]

When welding aluminium it is best to use some of the parent material as a filler rod.

[Martin WhittleParticipant @martinwhittle67411]

It will also depend on the grade of alloy used for the pulley in the first place – so the properties of this are unknown, but might be an appropriately econonical type for casting, without necessarily a great concern about welding qualities.

however, I would suggest that a pulley in normal use is not a highly stressed item, and it may not matter if the tensile strength is somewhat (even substantially) down.

I would be concerned if the item was in heavy use in an industrial environment, in which case the recommended replacement should be purchased from the original manufacturer. For the amateur workshop in light use, one not be too worried – if a welded inserted piece seems to be fully and evenly bonded, that is good enough.

Martin

[Involute CurveParticipant @involutecurve]

6082 has good weldability but the structure looses strength during the process and should really be heat treated after welding, this is not practical to do in the home workshop as it requires soaking for long periods at very high temps, I make swinging arms for motorcycles from this stuff, I use 4043 rods, I get the swingarms heat treated professionally, they are held in a jig during this process.

My choice if I want a weldment that is not going to be heat treated is 5083, this material is used extensively in the marine environment, it welds very well and retains most of its strength, I use 5356 rods for this, I also use these rods when repairing cast alloy wheels!! and when making alloy petrol / oil tanks for bikes, in part because after the weld is buffed off on a polished area it has very good colour match, the seams being almost invisible.

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[JonParticipant @jon]

Off the shelf stuff stands a good chance of being a 6000 series, in this case round thats 6082 and probably T6 tempering. Will be hard to find any other grade often special order and twice the price.

6082 is good enough for MOD work untreated after welding.
6082 not the best to turn either though work with it daily.

In short think it there wont be that great deal of difference for a small piece to bodge and insert to getting a blank to make a pulley.

Some pulleys are cast though never knowingly came across any made from 6082, therefore good chance if you do make an insert it wont weld.

[lee J 1Participant @leej1]

thanks for all the helpful information guys

i went with 6082 in the end as it was easier to get hold of in dimensions required , welded to the original pulley without issue and machined down fine

as a side note i purchased a piece of alloy off ebay a while back and it was awful to turn – really gummy ,any one have any idea what grade this sounds like ? just so i avoid buying any again !

thanks

lee

[Tim StevensParticipant @timstevens64731]

Your gummy alloy may not have been an alloy at all – pure aluminium meets this description.

Regards, Tim

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