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  • #801051
    jimmyjaffa
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      @jimmyjaffa

      Hello everyone!

      I’m Jim, and I’ve recently embarked on the exciting journey of lathe ownership with a 1950 Myford/Drummond Type M. It’s a charming piece of history that seems to have undergone some restoration not too long ago. As with any vintage machinery, I like to give it a thorough once-over to ensure everything’s in tip-top shape. I fully appreciate that this lathe has been around for 75 years, so I’m not expecting perfection—but it’s all part of the adventure! 😄

      First Observation: Headstock Endfloat

      The initial thing I noticed was a significant amount of endfloat on the headstock shaft. To address this, I adjusted the collar at the rear and the two bushes at either end. Now, I’m curious: what’s the best method to ensure that the headstock and chuck are running true?

      Second Concern: Saddle and Cross-Slide Play

      Moving on, I’ve observed that the saddle and cross-slide have a fair bit of play, which causes the tool to shift upon contact. I managed to eliminate the play in the saddle by adjusting the grub screws. However, I can’t seem to locate similar screws on the cross-slide. So, my next question is: what’s the most effective way to address the play in the cross-slide?

      Final Query: Overall Alignment

      Lastly, I want to ensure that everything is running true—specifically, the headstock and saddle. What are the recommended practices to verify and achieve proper alignment?

      Thanks so much for your guidance!

      Jim

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      #801070
      Keith Long
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        @keithlong89920

        Jim as another Drummond M type owner I suggest that you join in the Drummond group on https://groups.io/g/drummondlathe/ on there you’ll find a load of folk who all own Drummond lathes of various types – a lot of them have M types. also in the files section you’ll find a lot of informations and drawings for the various parts of the lathe, especially the headstock bearings and how to adjust them – or even make new ones if the present ones are past it. There should also be details of the upgrade to the headstock spindle thrust bearing which will make adjustment much easier and not need doing very often.

        The M type is mounted on a single “trumpet” foot so the chances of the bed being twisted out of alignment during mounting are very slim, the foot is pretty rigid and the bed cantilevers from it.

        Have fun setting it up, they are very capable machines.

        #801088
        David George 1
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          @davidgeorge1

          Hi Jim. It sounds like you need to see how to adjust the bearings here is a link to my YouTube video on how to adjust the bearings.  https://youtu.be/1m00-xASpS0          Also these bearings are plain Phosphor bronze and shouldn’t be run to fast. Basically the bearings are tapered on the outside and fit into a matching taper in the casting so when you tighten the ring nut on the bearing it pulls the bearing in to the casting and closes it down on to the spindle and reduces clearance which is better.  To adjust these bearings you have firstly have to slacken the lubrication bolts which press on to a steel wedge which clamps the bearing failure to release these can stop the bearing from being adjusted and strip the thread on nut or bearing. The bearings are adjusted by firstly slackening the end float nut on the spindle to give a little clearance for the adjusting ring nut movement. Then you need to slacken the lubrication bolt which in turn should slacken the wedge in the matching slot which when you tighten the ring nut closes together slightly by action of the taper in the headstock casting. It is possible that the wedge is stuck and you may have to slacken the ring nut firstly and give it a slight TAP with a soft mallet to release it. Then tighten the bearing ring whilst rotating the chuck by hand till it feels like it is stiff to turn but you can still turn. then re tighten the wedge and oiler bolt which will very slightly ease the friction and spin with no play. Make sur that there is oil on these bearings before adjusting and do each one separately before taking up the end float with the thrust adjustment collar ring on the spindle. always run the spindle at a medium speed firstly checking for any excessive heat increase and then at top speed, which should be around 1000 RPM max.

          Pictures of the bearings with a wedge and the adjusting C spanner.

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          If you need any further help as Keith says there is a wealth of help on the Drummond lathe web site.

          David

          #801093
          David George 1
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            @davidgeorge1

            The cross slide On my M Type lathe is adjusted by grub screws on the right hand side edge of the slide. there were no locking nuts on my lathe so I replaced them with longer grub screws and lock nuts. when adjusting  my cross slide I remove the two screws which hold the front handwheel plate and and unscrew the handwheel assembly firstly. This means you can slide the cross slide by hand and get a feel that it is just tight enough to just slide evenly across and with no play or tight spots. I remove the slide before adjusting to give it a clean and lubricate before adjusting. When replacing the handwheel wind the  feed screw in fully before tightening the two screws which hold the front plate on the the cross slide as there is clearance in the holes and it helps to keep all in alignment.

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            David

            #801217
            jimmyjaffa
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              @jimmyjaffa

              Thank you both for your advice. I have been able to sort the play out in the cross slide etc by adjust the screws suggested. Now the original tool holder is very basic and was wondering about recommendations for a quick change adjusted height holder?

               

              #801223
              Bazyle
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                @bazyle

                Ho hum. If you bought an old Cortina and needed help even to find the fuel cap would your first purchase be an ejector seat? Do some basic turning (with a 1/4 inch HSS tool not the largest carbide insert tool you can cram into the tool holder) and then see what additional equipment is actually worthwhile.

                #801228
                David George 1
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                  @davidgeorge1

                  I have a Dixon toolpost on my lathe I removed the fixed stem except for a short piece so that it can be made into a location upstand with a taped hole for the clamp bolt.

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                  David

                   

                   

                  #801240
                  jimmyjaffa
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                    @jimmyjaffa

                    Cheers David. Have you modified your tail stock to receive MT2’s?

                    #801259
                    David George 1
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                      @davidgeorge1

                      Yes but it is a bigger job as I had to rebore the tailstock make a new quill and handwheel etc.

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                      I have also done afew other mods and additions like a rear toolpost for parting off, A new spindle with with MT2 bore, A longer cross slide feed screw and front bridge to give more cross slide movement, Saddle front lock handle, Tumbler reverse feed with finner feed gearing and a few other tools which help me use the lathe

                      Saddle clamp3

                      David

                       

                      #801408
                      Howard Lewis
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                        @howardlewis46836

                        David’s advice at every stage, and improvements and modifications will be a tremendous help, once you are familiar,

                        As a newcomer to the lathe, learn to walk before trying to run a marathon.

                        The various refinements are very nice to have, and useful, but keep things simple to start with.

                        Having passed your driving test, you didn’t try to drive a large articulated lorry with an unsynchronised gearbox and two speed axle!

                        Get used to the lathe, as it is.

                        As you gain experience, you can start to add extra refinements which, with added experience, will benefit you.

                        You have lots of pleasure ahead of you!

                        Howard

                         

                        #801436
                        jimmyjaffa
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                          @jimmyjaffa

                          Hi all, I know it looks like I’m running behind for I walk, unfortunately that’s just the way I am, I like to collect the knowledge almost at once so when I do get to a point and feel confident I can move straight on with the next job. But thanks for the reply, it’s much appreciated.

                          #801438
                          jimmyjaffa
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                            @jimmyjaffa

                            <p style=”text-align: left;”>So as I’ve said, I like to go through items in buy to make sure that they are running at their optimum. So the minute I have runout on my chuck of what I believe to be 1.7mm. I have removed the chuck and measured the runout on the spindle and I have 0.1mm. What sort of readings are acceptable? And if mine are unacceptable, what could my issues be? Now I am aware that it’s 75 years old so I know it’s not going to be perfect 😉👍.</p>
                             

                            many thanks

                            Jim.

                            #801442
                            Nick Wheeler
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                              @nickwheeler

                              Jim are you measuring runout on the chuck body, or material gripped by it? Only one has any relevance to the machine’s use, and it isn’t the first….

                              #801446
                              Bazyle
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                                @bazyle

                                Having measured the spindle runout mark the bullwheel at the high spot for reference.

                                If you put a round bar in the chuck sure it will be 1.7mm out but if you then turn it down to make something each diameter will be true to each other. If you take it out of the chuck and refit it can be off by up to 1.7 in a different direction. So mark the job against chuck jaw no 1 so it can be put back in the same place. Even with a perfect new chuck repeats can be off anyway because you use different tightening pressures.
                                Collets are better and should be higher on your Christmas list than a QCTP.
                                Back to the chuck. If the chuck body is off by 1.7mm then it is the mounting. Loosen the bolts to the backplate and see what play there is. When this is corrected then measure runnout on a series of round bars in 1/4 in steps to assess teh wear in the scroll and jaws.

                                #801457
                                Nicholas Farr
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                                  @nicholasfarr14254

                                  Hi Jim, you may find the info Machine Tool Manuals – A Library helpful.

                                  Regards Nick.

                                  #801505
                                  Howard Lewis
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                                    @howardlewis46836

                                    In a 75 year old British machine the dimensions and threads will be Imperial (BSW and BSF, possibly with BA for gib strips)

                                    The spindle run out may improve as you adjust the bearings.

                                    Since the chuck is also old, a three jaw will not hold anything concentric, unless you are fabulously lucky (A good 3 jaw might hold work concentric to about 0.003″. An old worn one might be 0.030″ or more!)

                                    As said, even with such eccentricities, once work has been turned down, the reduced diameter will be concentric.  If you need to have two or more diameters concentric, turn then all at one time, without disturbing anything.

                                    If you want to start with absolute concentricity, you will need a 4 jaw independent chuck a DTI and magnetic base.

                                    Fitting a 4 jaw, if you don’t have one, might involve some machining to produce a backplate which is compatible with the spindle nose.

                                    This might entail some internal screwcutting, as well and turning the OD to make the register, then facing it. So will get [practice on rotating handwheels at a slow steady rate to get a fine feed.

                                    All good practice to become familiar with the lathe.

                                    Howard

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