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    Peter Simpson 3
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      @petersimpson3

      Hi all,

      I have just been asked to make a part

      Final dimensions are as follows

      BMS 34mm diameter 2.8mm thick with a M10 x 1.0 hole through the centre Basically a large washer. I tried drilling and tapping the central hole, then attempted to parts off over length. Using various parting off tools I could not part off “slices” as the parting off tool just kept grabbing half way through the cut. Any ideas how to proceed ?

      #860592
      Andrew Crow
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        @andrewcrow91475

        Hi Peter, I think a bit more information would be needed ie machine being used, type of parting tool, front or rear tool post, spindle speed, coolant/lubricant being used etc

        Andy

        #860594
        Hollowpoint
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          @hollowpoint

          My guess is that your parting tool isn’t dead square to the face of the chuck. If you go in at an angle it will almost certainly grab.

          #860606
          JA
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            @ja

            There are a lot of things that can go wrong parting off. Try or correct:

            1. Is the tool the correct height?
            2. Try a rear tool post.
            3. Always cut or move the tool away from the work.
            4. Remove swarf frequently
            5. Use slow speed.
            6. I consider 12mm, radial, a deep parting off cut. Do the first 4mm, remove the tool and move half a tool width away from finishing face. Then cut the next 4mm. Return the tool to its first position and do the next 4mm. And so on.

            JA

            #860615
            Roderick Jenkins
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              @roderickjenkins93242

              I suggest you use a parting blade with a carbide insert.  The insert is wider than the blade and gives clearance to the supporting blade.  Another suggestion is to be bold with both spindle speed and feed rate.

              Rod

              #860619
              JasonB
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                @jasonb

                I take it you did not buy the bandsaw you were asking about previously. If you did lop it off with that and then face to width.

                As per first reply without knowing the lathe and setup it is hard to offer advice.

                You also mention “sliceS” do you have a lot of material sticking out the chuck to make multiple parts?

                #860621
                Grindstone Cowboy
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                  @grindstonecowboy

                  The usual, and very good, advice is to have the tool on exact centre height. However, I’ve found – possibly due to a bit of flex in my setup due to wear – having it a fraction higher than centre helps. Not a lot, of course, maybe up to 5 thou.

                  Rob

                  #860632
                  Roderick Jenkins
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                    @roderickjenkins93242

                    Here’s video parting 32mm diam. EN3 using a 2mm insert from ArcEuro of blessed memory

                    I used to rely on my rear toolpost but have learnt that parting is largely a matter of confidence.  I still use the rear toolpost but mostly for convenience.

                    Rod

                    #860636
                    JasonB
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                      @jasonb

                      I also like the 2.2mm wide GTN-2 inserts, this is a bit of 30mm EN3 on an Amadeal 210E lathe, nicer swarf than Rods😉😉

                      20250702_104501

                       

                      Same tool on the Warco 280 cutting a 1.5mm slice off a 70mm diameter iron casting

                      #860641
                      Julie Ann
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                        @julieann

                        The swarf shown by JasonB looks a bit odd. I would have expected a parting off insert to form the swarf into a curved shape of narrower width than the insert. Thus reducing the risk of jamming. This is the steel swarf I get from my 3mm insert parting off blade:

                        Parting_Off_Swarf

                        Another factor rarely mentioned is feedrate. With parting off inserts I never go lower than 0.1mm per rev, otherwise the insert chatters. I always part off using power crossfeed.

                        Julie

                        #860642
                        Howard Lewis
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                          @howardlewis46836

                          The rules for parting off are:

                          Slower than normal turning or facing.

                          Part off as close to the chuck as possible.

                          Minimal overhang of the parting tool.  You need to have everything as rigid as possible.

                          The face of parting blade should be perpendicular to the lathe axis. (A parting blade ground at an angle will produce swarf that is wider than the groove, and likely to jam)

                          This where the raplaceable carbide tips score. They generally have a central groove, so that the tool mproduces two harrow streams of swarf, which curl minwards and are unlikely to jam in the groove.

                          Keep a slow steady feed, DON’T rush, but don’t let the tool rub! (This means that you need to have the basic skill of providing a steady feed of the tool, whatever task you are underaking on the lathe). If in dounbt, go slow!

                          If you can arrange a steady, if only a drip feed, supply of lubricant (Soluble or mineral oil) this will help. Machine brass and copper alloys dry, lubricate ferrous materials, but not cast iron.

                          If you can fit (make?) a rear toolpost, an inverted parting tool in it will improve matters (The swarf falls away, so less likely to jam)

                          Needless to say, the parting tool needs to be sharp (I do not use top rake; and am now so brave /over confident that I often part off under power cross feed of about 0.002″ per rev wihich leaves hands free to apply lubrication.

                          This is my take; others may use other methods, but H T H

                          Howard

                           

                          #860643
                          JasonB
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                            @jasonb

                            If I blow the image up I can see some fold lines where the edge has been turned in. Likely the finer feed I was using on the less powerful and less rigid machine combined with having to feed one handed and no power feed has an effect on how the swarf is shaped.

                            It curls more on the Warco with it’s power feed but that won’t take a 0.1mm feed unless the diameter is quite small but on that sort of diameter I’m more than likely to use a 1mm wide insert.

                            curl

                            #860644
                            JasonB
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                              @jasonb

                              I just braved the hot workshop, hopefully this not very good photo will show th edufference feed rate can make.

                              1″ EN1A, 250rpm, GTN-1 Insert.

                              On the right was a fine power fee dof 0.00075″ on the left the feed was double at 0.0015″ which has not only been folded far more but also broke up into smaller pieces.

                              20260813_200924

                              I would expect a heavier lathe like Julie’s to fold the swarf even more

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