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  • #808657
    IanT
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      @iant

      On Friday I’m taking delivery of a new Seig SX3.5ZP from Arc Euro Trade.

      I’ve been thinking about a new Mill for some time and the discounts being offered helped decide things. Whenever someone asks here what size of machine to buy, the general advice has been to get the largest machine you can afford and house. In terms of affordability, the price difference between the smallest SX2.7 and the SX3.5 was not very large, given the larger table size, increased speed range and the power head lift/table feed (I’m getting on!).

      Housing it has been more of a problem, as my garage/workshop is already stuffed full. A week of moving, dismantling and cleaning out has improved things a little but not much. I’ve made one trip to the Tip already and will go again today. All those ‘come in handy’ items are finally meeting their maker. However, hopefully there is now room for the delivery.

      The reason for my post, is that although the SX3.5ZP will hopefully meet all my expected needs, it may be a little bit unusual/unique. Most Seig owners here seem to have varients of the SX2.7 and SX3. As far as I can see, only ARC offer the SX3.5ZP in the UK and it was their most expensive mill, so possibly didn’t sell in huge numbers.

      In the US, the Little Machine Shop offer the HiTorque 6770 Deluxe Large Bench Mill, which has the DRO (but not the table feed) and is based on the same underlying SX3.5 design. There may be other Seig suppliers in the US but I haven’t searched any further yet.

      The reason for my post, is I’m wondering if there are other SX3.5 owners here, as I’d like to feel a little bit less ‘on my own’ in some respects at the moment.   🙂

      Regards,

       

      IanT

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      #808678
      IanT
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        @iant

        Well, problem solved (unfortunately)

        ARC have just called to tell me that the SX3.5 isn’t coming tomorrow. It turns out the machine they had ‘In Stock’ was returned faulty and is uncrated and in need of repair. Very disappointing.

        So IF I choose another ARC machine – should it be the SX2.7L or the SX3?

        Seems like an easy choice but I’m not so sure, what do others here think please?

        Regards,

         

        IanT

         

        #808680
        Ketan Swali
        Participant
          @ketanswali79440

          Hello IanT,

          Just to clarify, it wasn’t returned faulty!

          After checking, this was a machine which was sent to a person who has certain disability. His mother then phoned us, requesting us to take it back. It was difficult for her to understand why her son had ordered it, as it was difficult to get it through the door, and that her son had made a mistake. On return, we noted that certain bits of tool kit were missing and paint had been chipped off certain areas, and the crate was damaged. The machine is fully functional.

          When a member of my team went to check the machine before dispatch, he realised that this is the return machine, hence our Ian called to discuss with you to cancel the order.

          Ketan at ARC

          #808681
          IanT
          Participant
            @iant

            Thank you Ketan – I obviously got the wrong impression.

            I’ll talk to Ian when he gets back from lunch..

            Regards,

             

            IOanT

            #808686
            JasonB
            Moderator
              @jasonb

              Of the two other options I would go with the SX3. However if Ketan would be willing to come to an agreeable arrangement with the SX3.5 that he has then go with that

              #808690
              not done it yet
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                @notdoneityet

                Ian,

                I recall that when this machine was introduced, Ketan only allowed sales to competent or ‘more competent’ users.  As such I expect it is still tops as far as ARC machines go.🙂

                I would go for the 3.5, if I was in your shoes.

                #808694
                Ketan Swali
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                  @ketanswali79440
                  On not done it yet Said:

                  Ian,

                  I recall that when this machine was introduced, Ketan only allowed sales to competent or ‘more competent’ users.  As such I expect it is still tops as far as ARC machines go.🙂

                  I would go for the 3.5, if I was in your shoes.

                  Can’t believe you remembered that. Our anxiety levels were high when this machine was first introduced. This has reduced over time, especially once we stopped offering this machine with factory fitted limited functionality DRO, and also once market understanding of brushless machine use – speeds, feeds and DOC has improved, (moving away from traditional), as demonstrated by Jason Ballamy.

                  Ketan at ARC

                  #808695
                  Ketan Swali
                  Participant
                    @ketanswali79440
                    On JasonB Said:

                    Of the two other options I would go with the SX3. However if Ketan would be willing to come to an agreeable arrangement with the SX3.5 that he has then go with that

                    Yup, SX3 all day long.

                    Ketan at ARC

                    #810237
                    IanT
                    Participant
                      @iant

                      Just to footnote this thread.

                      I called ARC and spoke to Ian who was very helpful in explaining the history of the machine and the issues (which turned out to be minor – mostly cosmetic). As ARC is some distance away, photos and a video were provided a few days later and a sale then agreed.

                      In fact, after our conversation, Ian decided to change the power feed unit (where had the paint ‘chipping’ had occured) for a new unit, so in fact the machine is now pristine. The toolkit is missing some items but replacements have been ordered with Seig and will ship to me when they arrive in UK. As this was the machine I really wanted, I’m delighted that things have worked out OK.

                      I was therefore very pleased to receive a large palleted crate (via tail-lift truck) yesterday morning. The crate only just fitted into the space I’d cleared for it and I will spend the weekend figuring out how to lift the pallet to get my (new) 2t engine hoist’s legs under it. I should have had the good sense to think of this and ask if the pallet trolley could lift it high enough to get some packing underneath. However, I now have a cunning plan and will proceed with care, as it’s quite a lump to handle!  🙂

                      As an aside – I already had a suitable steel ‘cabinet’ earmarked for the mill but decided the (‘unrated’ car-boot sourced) 5″ swivelling castors fitted to it might not be man enough for the mill’s weight. I’ve replaced them with Holkie 250Kg levelling castors to be sure (so 1000kg in theory). The castors seem very well made and were a reasonable price too (from Amazon).

                      So thank you Ian & Ketan.  I’m sorry to see you go but I’m sure I’ll enjoy using the mill once I’ve got it all up off the ground!

                      Regards,

                      IanT

                      SX3.5 delivered 2 010825

                       

                      #810251
                      Thor 🇳🇴
                      Participant
                        @thor

                        Congratulations with your new milling machine. Let us know how you get on.

                        Thor

                        #810253
                        Bazyle
                        Participant
                          @bazyle

                          Very nice cardboard box. Maybe it is empty!

                          When mentioning less common machines please provide a link to identify the item for those of us who don’t have one. so https://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Machines-Accessories/Milling-Machines/SIEG-SX3-5-Mill/SIEG-SX35ZP-HiTorque-Mill
                          I also found a video of someone who had just got one in 2022 so I wonder if he is on the forum.

                          #810280
                          JasonB
                          Moderator
                            @jasonb

                            No Cardboard about it, SIEG’s best quality ply for that carate.😊

                             

                            Enjoy your new toy

                            #810300
                            Diogenes
                            Participant
                              @diogenes

                              If you are anywhere near the Cotswolds I’ve got a pallet truck + huge heel bar you can borrow.

                              #810376
                              IanT
                              Participant
                                @iant

                                Thank you for the offer DG but the pallet is now 8″ higher above sea level than it was at lunchtime, which (lifting a few inches or so per corner) took a while. Things do seem to take me longer these days but my back is still functional after a busy day. I can also now get the engine hoist legs under the pallet.

                                Tomorrow, I’ll sort out the actual ‘lift’ – which again doesn’t look entirely straight foreward. We progress but cautiously!  🙂

                                Regards,

                                 

                                IanT

                                 

                                #810507
                                old mart
                                Participant
                                  @oldmart

                                  Any chance at this late date for adding screw jacks to the base to take the weight off the castors when the machine is in use?

                                  Only the other day we used an engine hoist to lift the head and column of the museum’s mill. It can lift 450Kg at the maximum extension.

                                  That tooling starter set 2 that ARC sells looks like very good value if you don’t already have compatible parts.

                                  #810519
                                  IanT
                                  Participant
                                    @iant

                                    That’s why I’ve purchased these Holkie levelling castors OM.  They can be jacked down once the machine is in position. Mine are rated at 250Kg each.

                                    Holkie Castors

                                    HOLKIE Castors – Amazon

                                    They are very reasonably priced and if they prove OK, then I shall probably get a set of the 562kg ones for my Victoria HO which is currently on steel rollers. Not sure what the HO weighs but although it’s obviously very heavy, I wouldn’t think it’s near 2250Kgs.

                                    Regards,

                                     

                                    IanT

                                    #810562
                                    old mart
                                    Participant
                                      @oldmart

                                      Those castors are a great design, hopefully they will not be needed often, but you will never regret having them. Both of the mills at the museum have been secured to the concrete floor for health and safety reasons. Neither of the lathes has been bolted down, but the Smart & Brown weighs 3/4 of a ton and we have made a strong shelf under the Atlas 12 x 24 stand to store lots of angle plates and chucks which has lowered the COG by 40%

                                      #810642
                                      IanT
                                      Participant
                                        @iant

                                        I was curious about the Victoria’s weight OM, so decided to check. I couldn’t find the ‘HO’ spec but Lathes.co.uk had the ‘UO’ model spec listed, which I think will be slightly heavier. The UO is (Net) 2128lbs / 965Kgs. The HO is probably a bit under that but still about about six times heavier than the SX3.5 I would think!  🙂

                                        The unexpected arrival of our eldest son (and family) yesterday, interupted my workshop time I’m afraid but we do love seeing the grandchildren, so he was forgiven.  Today we are ‘baby-sitting’ another rapidly growing 3-year old, so I won’t have much energy left when (thankfully) his Dad finally comes to get him at the end of day.

                                        I was busy making some lifting bars when interupted but I guess they will keep till tomorrow.

                                        Regards,

                                         

                                        IanT

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