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  • #808352
    beeza650
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      @beeza650

      I picked up this Clarke drill and the vice for £90 a few weeks ago. I’ve just cleaned it all up and noticed there’s no bolt to lock the quill.

      In the past I’ve used such a bolt to help with lining things up and I’m also wondering with this vice whether I can do some very light, not super accurate, milling.

      How would you go about adding some sort locking mechanism?

      What about something dual purpose to extend the quill a little for milling?

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      #808353
      not done it yet
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        @notdoneityet

        It’s a drill – not a mill!

        #808355
        beeza650
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          @beeza650
          On not done it yet Said:

          It’s a drill – not a mill!

          What stops a drill being used to cut the odd slot in a thin piece of aluminum once in a blue moon when the owner has no mill?

          #808363
          not done it yet
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            @notdoneityet

            Drills are not designed for milling.  The quill bearings are designed for axial loading, not radial loads.  If it has an MT into the quill, don’t be surprised if it falls out.  Morse tapers require a drawbar to prevent this.

            But carry on as you wish, if you must.  It will not affect me.

            #808365
            Chris Crew
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              @chriscrew66644

              As it has a depth setting dial you can hold the quill at any depth you want, but I only try to mill, if you must, with the quill fully retracted and use the rise and fall of the table to set the depth of cut. Like others have stated I think you will be disappointed with the results.

              #808367
              beeza650
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                @beeza650
                On Chris Crew Said:

                As it has a depth setting dial you can hold the quill at any depth you want, but I only try to mill, if you must, with the quill fully retracted and use the rise and fall of the table to set the depth of cut. Like others have stated I think you will be disappointed with the results.

                Thanks, there’s nothing to hold the quill down though against the depth stop and the spring is strong (too strong IMHO). The table, as I’m sure you know, waggles around when you go up and down plus it’s a very coarse thread so using that to make a deeper cut isn’t work.

                I’ll try it with some Heath Robinson set up as soon as procure some slot mills just to make sure it’s not totally unworkable. I’m thinking make a nice collar for just above the chuck and then relocate the speed ratios plate and put some sort of thread bar up the front with a bracket and a tapped hole for it.

                Why will the chuck fall out when milling BTW?

                #808369
                bernard towers
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                  @bernardtowers37738

                  The side load will loosen the taper with no drawbar, do not go there

                  #808375
                  Chris Crew
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                    @chriscrew66644

                    The chuck is only held in by friction on a drill press. As the milling cutter shears off the metal it will exert a pulling force downwards on the taper holding the chuck in the quill. It probably can’t go anywhere but could weaken the friction holding the chuck causing it to slip or cutting to stop.

                    #808381
                    not done it yet
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                      @notdoneityet

                      Why will the chuck fall out when milling BTW?

                      Who said it would?   Read my post again?

                      There is a fair review of that drill on:

                      https://www.ukworkshop.co.uk/threads/clarke-cdp-12eb-pillar-drill.78618/

                      An old thread, but likely just as relevant today, as back then.

                       

                      #808389
                      Bazyle
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                        @bazyle

                        Try waggling the chuck with it at the top, it will move quite a lot. Then bring it down a bit and try again. It will waggle a lot more. The quill is always a rather loose fit and not provided with adjustment on this type. One complicated way people have improved this a bit is to put the rack engagement pinion into an eccentric bush to take up the slack.

                        #808419
                        JasonB
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                          @jasonb

                          And if the chuck does stay in place there is a good chance of the tool moving as drill chucks are not the best thing to hold milling cutters with again due to side loads and vibration.

                          Have you checked to see what sort of runout and play there is on the spindle, too much runout and you will not get all the flutes cutting and too much play will result in oversize slots and possibly the tool snatching the work.

                          Best bet is to use the cross table to drill a neat row of holes then file out the waste to get your slot, easy enough in thin aluminium.

                          #808425
                          larry phelan 1
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                            @larryphelan1

                            A drill is a drill

                            A mill is a mill

                            Horses for courses.

                            As my Dear Old Granny used to say .

                            BTW, I tried that many moons ago, best forgotten !

                            #808437
                            Chris Crew
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                              @chriscrew66644

                              I read the reviews of this type of drill press provided by the above link as I bought one of these branded machines second-hand in 1983 as a ‘temporary’ expedient as I could not afford a ‘proper’ British machine at the time, although mine is only the 5-speed, single belt variant. All these years later after drilling ‘millions’ of holes in all types of materials it still starts, runs reliably and drills true with negligible run-out so I never did get round to buying that ‘proper’ machine.

                              Last year I acquired a ‘proper’ two speed, floor standing geared-head Union machine gratis which someone had inexplicably thrown onto the scrapheap due to a small easily rectified issue with the layshaft but otherwise in very good condition, after cleaning, for its age. I can say that I really can’t tell the difference between the two machines as far as drilling holes goes. I am pleased that I now have that ‘proper’ machine, but I would have never have bought one as I found that the cheap far eastern machine, that people told me was a waste of money at the time, did everything I ever asked of it and which is probably why ‘proper ‘ British machines are no longer manufactured.

                              #808441
                              Nicholas Farr
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                                @nicholasfarr14254

                                Hi, there is also a good chance that the table grip on the column will not hold the sideway forces of milling. The helix of milling cutters will also influence the chuck pulling out of the quill, without a drawbar.

                                Regards Nick.

                                #808444
                                beeza650
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                                  @beeza650
                                  On Bazyle Said:

                                  Try waggling the chuck with it at the top, it will move quite a lot. Then bring it down a bit and try again. It will waggle a lot more. The quill is always a rather loose fit and not provided with adjustment on this type. One complicated way people have improved this a bit is to put the rack engagement pinion into an eccentric bush to take up the slack.

                                  There doesn’t appear to be any “wobble”.

                                  On larry phelan 1 Said:

                                  A drill is a drill

                                  A mill is a mill

                                  Horses for courses.

                                  As my Dear Old Granny used to say .

                                  BTW, I tried that many moons ago, best forgotten !

                                  Go on then – what happened?

                                  #808454
                                  Thor 🇳🇴
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                                    @thor

                                    I have tried using a drill for milling, it is possible but don’t expect too much. My advice is to use a proper milling machine.

                                    My drill has a spindle with MT2 taper, and I mounted a cheap XY table on it. To prevent the cutter/chuck from moving/falling out I threaded the outside of the drill spindle and made a threaded nut to suit so I could use the Myford MT2 collets I already had. It worked using small size cutters and very light cuts, but a Mini Mill worked much better and gave much better results.

                                    Thor

                                    #808492
                                    Dave S
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                                      @daves59043

                                      I added one to the same casting May moons ago. From memory:

                                      Remove the top casting, strip the quill out.

                                      Drill a 3mm hole around where C1 is in the speed chart (remove the chart first) That should be above the lower quill support ring in the casting by ~2-3”

                                      with hacksaw slot from the bottom of casting to the hole.

                                      on each side around where the quill support ring is drill and tap a couple of holes. Then bolt a pair of 25mm angle or box section bits sticking out the front to the casting.
                                      Add a bolt across them with a nut handle to tighten.

                                      Clamped my quill absolutely solid with very little tightening force, YMMV.

                                      Dave

                                      #808498
                                      Nigel Graham 2
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                                        @nigelgraham2

                                        It is never good practice to try to use a drilling-machine as a mill.

                                        I have got away with cutting a single, short slot that did not need be accurate in 3mm PVC sheet, but would not dream of making a habit of it, nor of attempting to use a drill for better-quality milling in metal. In that case the work was on a rotary-table for holes on pitch-circles, but also allowed careful feed for the curved slot.

                                        The chuck and bearings are designed for axial loads only.

                                        The quill and spindle are unlikely to accommodate a draw-bar but might on some machines.

                                        A milling-cutter held in a drill-chuck is likely to slip and act like a self-tapping screw in the work-piece and whatever is directly below it. I have had that happen even on a proper mill, once where I’d not fully assembled the cutter into an ‘Autolock’ chuck, but also with an R8 collet.

                                        The lack of a quill lock is more nuisance than real loss, but a wooden block between the top of the chuck and the underside of the head may hold the quill in place enough to assist setting up the work; or when using a spring-drive tapping-guide. These are the point of the quill lock on a drilling-machine. Not as a depth-control for milling.

                                         

                                        #808556
                                        John Purdy
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                                          @johnpurdy78347

                                          Beeza650

                                          I don’t use the drill to mill for all the reasons stated, but I find a quill lock very convenient for lining up the drill on the work piece. Here is how I added one to my drill which is very similar to yours. To add it I removed the quill and drilled and tapped, (in my case 5/16-24 UNF) a hole through the front of the casting, then turned up the brass locking screw and cross drilled the head for the 3/16″ dia. steel tommy bar which was “loctited’ in. Before re-installing the quill I made sure any swarf from the drilling or tapping was cleaned out.

                                          John

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                                          #808574
                                          John Purdy
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                                            @johnpurdy78347

                                            You say you think in your opinion the return sprig is too strong. It is easy to change the tension. Just loosed off the two nuts on the silver cup opposite the quill handle so the cup can be moved to the left so the slots in it disengage from the tab on the casting (making sure you hold the cup or it will spin around), now rotate the cup to a new position where the tension is to your liking, and re-engage the slots with the tab. Once satisfied redo up the nuts.

                                            John

                                             

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