Tailstock never stays aligned.

Tailstock never stays aligned.

Home Forums Beginners questions Tailstock never stays aligned.

Viewing 23 posts - 1 through 23 (of 23 total)
  • Author
    Posts
  • #166028
    Chris Denton
    Participant
      @chrisdenton53037

      Everytime I use my tailstock on my Harrison L6 lathe it isn't aligned, I have to align it everytime I use it, is this normal?

      When using it to drill the end of a bar wpthat has been faced I can visibly see it's not in the centre and the drill bit moves across when it contacts the work.

      No matter how long I spend aligning it, the next time I use it it's way out, is this normal?!

      #7328
      Chris Denton
      Participant
        @chrisdenton53037
        #166030
        John Haine
        Participant
          @johnhaine32865

          No! Specially not on a Harrison. No idea what's wrong though.

          #166034
          Nick_G
          Participant
            @nick_g

            .

            Are you facing and drilling then moving the work forward in the chuck by any chance.?

            Nick

            #166035
            Chris Denton
            Participant
              @chrisdenton53037

              No. Everything gets aligned in the lathe chuck to within 0.05mm TIR.

              #166037
              Ady1
              Participant
                @ady1

                and the drill bit moves across when it contacts the work.

                obviously a tailstock issue

                The tailstock should be rock solid

                Bad chuck? Morse taper goosed?

                Edited By Ady1 on 09/10/2014 01:05:01

                #166049
                David Colwill
                Participant
                  @davidcolwill19261

                  How are you locking the tailstock after alignment? I’m not sure about the exact procedure but there are usually 2 screws 1 on each side of the tailstock which should tighten on to the tenon and prevent any movement. Sorry if you are doing this but it’s the only thing I can think of.
                  David.

                  #166050
                  JasonB
                  Moderator
                    @jasonb

                    Are you spot/ctr drilling first as "drill bit moves across when it contacts the work" suggests not as even if the tailstock was a bit off the drill would align to the spot drilled hole.

                    If thats not the case then check for muck trapped under the tailstock particularly the V side or wear in the barrel

                    #166052
                    WALLACE
                    Participant
                      @wallace

                      I think there’s one either side and another on the back to lock it all up – typically, I’m nowhere near my L5a at the moment to check !

                      Mine had quite rough as cast ‘lump’ that the screws made contact with which I machined flat on the mill. I also cut them at an angle and at the same angle setting, milled brass inserts to go inbetween the screws.

                      The rationale behind this was that the original rough surface tended to twist and lift the upper part of the tailstock, machining it smooth stopped this from happening with the machined angle now effectively pulling the two parts together.

                      It made adjusting it a lot easier – beforehand, you’d get it spot on, give everything a final tighten and then find you were miles out !

                      Hope that makes sense !!

                      W.

                      #166071
                      colin hawes
                      Participant
                        @colinhawes85982

                        A well used lathe tailstock should be in alignment when both the tailstock clamp and barrel are locked and any adjustment clamping nut is tightened. Colin

                        #166078
                        JasonB
                        Moderator
                          @jasonb

                          I think the Harrison L6 has a V way so that should act to keep the base inline rather than two flat ways

                          #166080
                          Brian Wood
                          Participant
                            @brianwood45127

                            Hello Chris,

                            No-one has asked, is this a problem that has developed or has it been a constant problem since purchase?

                            What I am trying to establish is whether or not it is a 'new' experience, and what has changed to cause it..

                            Regards Brian

                            #166089
                            Brian Wood
                            Participant
                              @brianwood45127

                              More thoughts,

                              Is the error completely random, or biased to one side or the other?

                              It it always present when you are drilling/ Or if you align the two centres to look at each other, move the tailstock away and then back is there a change in position after the movement?

                              At this stage it is detection work for clues to see what is wrong and why before trying to fix anything.

                              Regards

                              Brian

                              #166097
                              Nobby
                              Participant
                                @nobby

                                HI Chris
                                I cold be your drill chuck you are using .
                                Nobby

                                #166098
                                Spanna
                                Participant
                                  @spanna

                                  Me thinks something basic is being overlooked here.

                                  These old things are too heavy to constantly slip out of alignment without something being obvious. How do you know its moved, do you use an alignment bar every time? with it clamped down on the bed can you physically move it?

                                  #166115
                                  Harold Hall 1
                                  Participant
                                    @haroldhall1

                                    Chris

                                    I know nothing about the lathe you have but is there any possibilty that the tailstock is not parallel with the lathe's axis, but at an angle. If it is not, then you could set it on centre at one point, but more or less extension of the barrel, longer or shorter drills would result in an error, Just a thought.

                                    Harold

                                    #166126
                                    I.M. OUTAHERE
                                    Participant
                                      @i-m-outahere

                                      Is it possible that the bore of the barrel may be damadged ? Maybe the female taper has some scoring and is not letting the male taper seat properly ? The last flatbed lathe i used had a bit of wear and we used to push the tail stock hard against the back way and clamp it as that was where we set the tailstock alignment up on . Maybe the clamp is not sitting right and is walking the tailstock around as you clamp it down ?

                                      If it is a vee bed then as stated earlier maybe there is something stopping the tailstock from seating properly on its vee way . It may be a bit out there but i would run the barrel out say 1/2 of its travel and clamp the lock on then lock the tailstock down then grab the barrel end and give it a good wiggle and see if anything moves .

                                      Ian

                                      #166130
                                      Jens Eirik Skogstad 1
                                      Participant
                                        @jenseirikskogstad1

                                        Check if your morse drill arbor is bend..

                                        I had same problem with tail stock in the Sieg C6 lathe. Learned out there was drillchuck was not in line, with other word: the MT2 morse drill chuck arbor with tang B6 was bent out of position. Also the tail stock was in line with lathe when i checked with the morse taper dead center meet each other in both head stock and tail stock.

                                         

                                        Edited By Jens Eirik Skogstad on 09/10/2014 21:17:54

                                        #166158
                                        Chris Denton
                                        Participant
                                          @chrisdenton53037

                                          Just read through this, thanks to all.

                                          I checked the tailstock barrel with a DTI and no movement over 6".

                                          I then put a long length of 8mm stainless in a collet and had 0.1mm of movement on the DTI over every 25.4mm away from the tailstock.

                                          Changed the MT2-MT3 adaptor on the collet and had no movement on DTI over 3".

                                          Problem solved!

                                          Thanks.

                                          #166180
                                          Neil Wyatt
                                          Moderator
                                            @neilwyatt

                                            Chris,

                                            Do check the taper bore is spotless and check tapers and socket for burrs.

                                            If you want to investigate further, 'blue' the old taper (with a magic marker or sharpie will do) and spin it in the tailstock to see where it contacts and where it doesn't.

                                            If the contact is mostly in the middle, find a way to hold the adaptor reversed in the chuck and supported at the rear, and try turning the middle third of it down by about 1mm with a carbide tool. This 'cheat' is often offered as a way to correct a taper that just wont go right.

                                            Neil

                                            #166197
                                            Brian Wood
                                            Participant
                                              @brianwood45127

                                              Hello again Chris,

                                              Now that you have found what was wrong, you still have to re-align the tailstock to get it looking in line down the bed again.

                                              If i the sleeve is properly hardened you won't be able to machine it as Neil suggests and if it were mine I would never trust it again even if I was able to salvage it. Bin it and put it down to experience, it has cost you enough time already. already..

                                              Regards Brian

                                              #166209
                                              David Colwill
                                              Participant
                                                @davidcolwill19261

                                                Brian
                                                I think Neil was meaning the arbour not the tailstock sleeve.
                                                David.

                                                #166214
                                                Brian Wood
                                                Participant
                                                  @brianwood45127

                                                  Hello David,

                                                  You may well be right but Neil did talk about adaptor as did Chris when he changied his 3-2 MT sleeve, it wasn't clear in my mind. I have employed that trick on soft shanks as well, certainly on ones I have made that were less than satisfactory.

                                                  I would still chuck the faulty item away, soft or otherwise, it has been more trouble than it's worth

                                                  As an aside, Chris now has the answer to deep hole drilling he was looking for earlier

                                                  Brian

                                                  Edited By Brian Wood on 10/10/2014 17:38:04

                                                Viewing 23 posts - 1 through 23 (of 23 total)
                                                • Please log in to reply to this topic. Registering is free and easy using the links on the menu at the top of this page.

                                                Latest Replies

                                                Home Forums Beginners questions Topics

                                                Viewing 25 topics - 1 through 25 (of 25 total)
                                                Viewing 25 topics - 1 through 25 (of 25 total)

                                                View full reply list.