Did you make one of these at school or as an apprentice?

Did you make one of these at school or as an apprentice?

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  • #75720
    Doddy
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      @doddy
      Picked this up recently at a car boot sale ~ Did you make it? or make one like it at school.
       

      The plans were popular with schools and collages in the 70’s

      After a little clean and oil it ran OK ~ all be it with a lot of heat
      Over the winter months I hope to fully overhaul it and clean it

       
       
      #5682
      Doddy
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        @doddy

        TE Haynes Hot Air Engine

        #75726
        Niloch
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          @niloch

          My then head of department made the hot-air engine circa.1968, although, my memory tells me he didn’t make the base a cast aluminium one. My memory also says the author suggested some tubing from a scrapped bicycle frame for one of the components. It ran very well and was always a great success at parents evenings especially when many of the parents were hugely skilled personnel from the railway works.  He used a bunsen burner as a source of heat.

          Edited By Niloch on 02/10/2011 19:09:10

          #75728
          Alan Vos
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            @alanvos39612
            Oh yes. At school 1978-79. Just me, not a whole class making them.
             
            We had no casting facility, so decided to mill the base from steel plate. That required removing the rarely-used horizontal arbor and fitting the vertical head. I don’t believe it ever came off again, far more useful.
             
            No paint. No burner. Though I just checked and see I did makre the hole for the burner. Also, a smaller diameter flywheel, suspect that was the best fit stock we had.
             
            I have always fancied adding some cooling fins, or water pipe, to the cold end of the main cylinder.
             
            Mine also requires a lot of heat in the right place, exactly what a bunsen burner is good at.
             
            After a long break, back to making engines, about 1/3 of the way through a Stuart S50.
             
            #75729
            the artfull-codger
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              @theartfull-codger

              I work as a school design & technology technician & looking through our library one day I discovered the steam engine book, I built one straight away for my grandson & some of the lads showed intrest, so I decided to run a lunchtime ”model club”, I made a pattern for the baseplate as opposed to the original folded steel ones & the lads cast them in alloy in our foundry [me pouring of course] & to date we’ve built 12 of them & they’re a really robust little engine. I wrote an article & it was published in the model engineer on 8th april 2009 [& I got paid for it!!!] a colleague built the hot air engine & it runs very well so I made a pattern for the baseplate for that & cast & machined a few of them up & have started to make a couple, apparently Mr TE haynes was still alive a couple of yrs ago as someone wrote to M.E. kindly commenting on my article & informing us, he also wrote one on making an electric motor as well,[ a really good craftsman& writer!!]

              #75771
              Sub Mandrel
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                @submandrel
                Watch it Codger! If the latest ideas get traction kids will be leaving school at 14 to do proper apprenticeships (not jumped up NVQ1s) – they might even let them make real things instead of using a simulator!
                 
                Neil
                #75774
                the artfull-codger
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                  @theartfull-codger
                  Now that would be a gr8 idea Neil, I’m all for that, that’s what the country’s sadly lacking, lads with hands on skills!!
                   
                  #75783
                  Springbok
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                    @springbok
                    Wow does that take me back started school (senior) in 1956 and our teacher taught me the lathe, case hardening and makeing one of these. these were the days before “Elf and safety” struck and the kids now use balsa and prit sticks. SAD……..
                     
                    #75791
                    Ian S C
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                      @iansc
                      Things seem to be coming right here, Govt encouraging trades in schools etc. The local high school have built and raced (and won) grass carts, go-carts raced on grass track. Ian S C
                      #76268
                      Doddy
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                        @doddy
                        Had it running using a small blow torch, see http://flic.kr/p/avG2wh and gave it a quick clean and polish with some new BA nuts
                         
                        Found a copy of the origanal plans, so its up for grabs on ebay to fund my next project
                         
                        Item No 260873071808

                        Edited By David Dodwell on 14/10/2011 11:22:59

                        #76277
                        colin hawes
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                          @colinhawes85982
                          When I was doing metalwork at school and later at a technical college we had to do things like file a square hole to a gauge size and make a square plug to fit it, all in thick steel sheet.We never made anything as interesting as an engine, although we did do beaten copper work which gave me some confidence in boiler making.
                          #162675
                          Avon
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                            @avon

                            Hi, I know this is an old thread, but I've been searching for this model for ages. I made it for O level Metalwork including casting the base. However it was once in my parents house but has since disappeared. In October I getting a real Manshed built and will install my fathers old lathe and milling machine. I think remaking this project will be a great starter, maybe even casting the base (friend has a forge!). If anyone knows where I can get a copy of the Haynes book 2 I'd be grateful.

                            thanks

                            peter

                            #162686
                            Boiler Bri
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                              @boilerbri

                              We did not have teachers that were interested in steam only go karts and bikes.

                              Humbug

                              brian

                              #162687
                              jason udall
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                                @jasonudall57142

                                My teacher was keen..it was tge school that was blind..

                                Btw..not steam..hot air…

                                #162689
                                FMES
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                                  @fmes

                                  Yes I made one at school (my parents still have it) and I'm still making them as presentation pieces today.

                                  Peter, If you want a copy of the drawings I would be happy to oblige.

                                   

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                                  Edited By Lofty76 on 04/09/2014 18:46:42

                                  #162717
                                  Avon
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                                    @avon

                                    Hi Lofty, looks like a great model – the marble base is certainly an improvement on my original casting! I' ve sent a separate message with my e-mail address as I would much appreciate a copy if the plans.

                                    many thanks.

                                    #162750
                                    FMES
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                                      @fmes

                                      As a couple of people have shown an interest in this engine, I've created an album of a build.

                                      All the best

                                      Lofty

                                      #168209
                                      Martin 100
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                                        @martin100

                                        Made one about 35 years ago. Both it and the plans have long been lost, never ever seen the book I just had a dozen or so A4 sheets. Would love to make one again.

                                        #168245
                                        Windy
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                                          @windy30762

                                          I remember my metalwork classes at school fondly it was a brand new Secondary Modern school with two new ml7 a drill, forge and usual hand tools.

                                          The Teacher had an interest in model engineering and built a Sun steam engine I made an Edgar Westbury Theseus that was the start of my interests in engineering as a hobby.

                                          There seemed to be a lot of common sense in those days not so much health and safety as today.

                                          My rose tinted glasses are slipping again.

                                          Paul

                                          Edited By Windy on 31/10/2014 11:51:55

                                          #168374
                                          AJS
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                                            @ajs

                                            I have just completed a version of this engine which was published in Engineering in Miniature Nov 2011 – Feb 2012. It was my first and only hot air engine and I'm pleased to report that it ran at the first firing with a spirit lamp.

                                            Alan

                                            #168382
                                            Manofkent
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                                              @manofkent

                                              I was told recently that engineering apprentices at a local college make stationary steam engines as their project. Part of the judgement of the quality of workmanship is to run the engine on the lowest possible compressed air pressure. The better the build the better it runs.

                                              #168383
                                              Manofkent
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                                                @manofkent

                                                I was told recently that engineering apprentices at a local college make stationary steam engines as their project. Part of the judgement of the quality of workmanship is to run the engine on the lowest possible compressed air pressure. The better the build the better it runs.

                                                #168409
                                                Neil Wyatt
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                                                  @neilwyatt

                                                  The better the build the better it runs.

                                                  I'm not entirely convinced of that the engine with least friction engine probably runs smoothest at low air pressure, which may mean some pretty sloppy fits.

                                                  The real test is which one runs at lowest pressure under load.

                                                  Neil

                                                  #168448
                                                  Avon
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                                                    @avon

                                                    Just thought, but perhaps it's the fastest machine for a given pressure. In truth I think there will be a range of 'best' builds since we're looking for the most efficient and that could vary for a range of pressures and loads. Would be an interesting experiment.!

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                                                    Ian S C
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                                                      @iansc

                                                      An even better test than a steam engine is the hot air engine, see how slow that will run, then see how fast on the minimum of heat/smallest burner. A steam engine with a good size flywheel will run slow.

                                                      Ian S C

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