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    Mark Richards 3
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      @markrichards3

      As a beekeeper who also enjoys scratch building, I'm trying my utmost to see if I can obtain two aluminium rollers with the embossed pattern to help me make roll my own wax foundation sheets for my bee frames.

      I have borrowed a flat embosser that has this profile but the results arent very good at all.

      To buy one is "silly" money hence my efforts to make my own. I can get the blank rollers myself it's just someone who could do the embossing that I'm looking for.

      The rollers are approx 100mm diameter though this can be larger, and their length is 300mm.

      I have photos of these rollers but for the life of me I can't post them on here!

      Regards

      Arnold9801

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      Mark Richards 3
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        @markrichards3
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        JasonB
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          @jasonb

          How to post pictures here

          Though having looked at them on the net I can understand why they cost a lot. I doubt anyone here without a 4th axis CNC would want to take on the job of making them and even then the run time would make it a very expensive job for a one off.

          #589751
          Clive Hartland
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            @clivehartland94829

            Mark, good that you want to do your own wax foundation, but, you will need extensive equipment to make sheet wax and wire embedding paraphanalia. If you want to save money just use a strip of embossed wax along under the top bar they will draw comb as they wish. It is only because we like 'Order', that we supply flat embossed sheet for the bees.

            I think that the rollors are not machined but cast, they may even be embossed. and then rolled to round drum confuguration. One possible is to make them from a resin cast, You have an embossed sheet so lay resin down and after make it into a rollor. Exactness is not absolutely nececessary as the bees are exact on size leave it to them.

            #589752
            JasonB
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              @jasonb

              I thought a change to the title may attract out bee keeping member, looks like it has acted as a honey potwink

              #589754
              Speedy Builder5
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                @speedybuilder5

                Seems like an ideal candidate for 3D printing ? For limited volumes it could work ??

                Bob

                #589759
                bernard towers
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                  @bernardtowers37738

                  Surely years ago these were spiral milled. I have done a couple of spiral milling jobs (internal m/cycle throttles) unfortunately setup time was about 95% of the job but interesting. Machinerys Handbook has some good info.

                  #589765
                  Anonymous

                    I agree with Clive, the rollers are mostly likely cast. Helical milling (not spiral) doesn't help in forming what look like sharp internal corners on the "teeth". I expect they could be done, to an extent, on a 4-axis CNC, but it wouldn't be economic, for me at least.

                    Andrew

                    #589783
                    Samsaranda
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                      @samsaranda

                      As Clive says the bees will build their own comb, in Top Bar beehives there is only a wooden bar with a groove milled in it and this is filled with melted beeswax, the bees will build their comb from the groove filled with beeswax, it’s surprising how quickly they can fill a hive with fresh comb. Unless you are keeping bees on an industrial scale then producing your own embossed foundation will be a very expensive exercise, I find that the commercially available embossed foundation is reasonably priced and so easy to use. Dave W

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                      Mark Richards 3
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                        @markrichards3

                        Many thanks for all your replies and for posting a photo of what I'm referring to!

                        The few I've managed to make from the press were way to thick but still managed to make a wire inset tool so that's not a problem.

                        I have thought about making them from resin.

                        The technical cutting of such a design is beyond me but will ask a firm that was mentioned to me that does embossing… but dreading the costs!

                        I always say when something is a heavy challenge that if they made the pyramids thousands of years ago with just man power, no computers and plant, then what I want is achievable!

                        Any other ideas would be welcome!

                        Stay safe.

                        Arnold9801

                        #589805
                        Dave S
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                          @daves59043

                          Looks a lot like the pattern on retro reflective things – like the reflectors on cycles.

                          Maybe some clues there for how to

                          Dave

                          #589810
                          AdrianR
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                            @adrianr18614

                            I don't know much about 3d printing but there are several pages on google about 3d printing with beeswax.

                            Another thought I had was if you can get a foundation sheet and some silicon moulding rubber you could make a mould and then just cast one-sided sheets. Then just use two back to back.

                            Adrian

                            #589811
                            Clive Hartland
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                              @clivehartland94829

                              I am pretty sure they are done flat and then folded around a cylinder.

                              Many years ago when I was young and had 15 hives I wanted to make combs and hives and all that but the cost !

                              When I was 50 i made hives at a cost, it was a just a fad and I soon returned to buying in the flat. The cost of Cedar wood in the various thicknesses and the complicated set ups thwarted me in the end.

                              because people found out I had a saw bench and planer they were always wanting something made in my time and cost! Amazing how many planks of wood I shaved and cut.

                              #589813
                              Nick Welburn
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                                @nickwelburn

                                Surely there is a simple answer? is it a pineapple twist roller?https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=pineapple+twist+blacksmithing&qpvt=pineapple+twist+blacksmithing&FORM=VDRE

                                Edited By Nick Welburn on 14/03/2022 14:25:51

                                #589851
                                Max Tolerance
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                                  @maxtolerance69251

                                  As the name suggests these rollers are embossed. A single tool is made something like a knurling wheel only more robust. It is then forced under pressure into a softened roller. The embossed roller is then hardened or more frequently hard chrome plated. If a pair is required the first roller is made and hardened and used to emboss the second roller. Ensuring a perfect pattern match.

                                  #589852
                                  Grindstone Cowboy
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                                    @grindstonecowboy

                                    Just a thought – if, as you say, you can get a flat embosser, could that (or maybe a par of them) not be used in conjunction with two rollers arranged as per the traditional mangle?

                                    Rob

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