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    Mike Brett
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      Hi

      Does anyone know where I could find plans and dimensions for a stirling hot air engine. I would like one built from bar stock or similar, not a kit.

      Cheers Mike

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      #26699
      Mike Brett
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        Plans needed

        #417203
        SillyOldDuffer
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          @sillyoldduffer

          Have a look at Jan Ridders website. Although it comes up in Dutch it also has good English translations one click away. Quite a variety of Stirlings and other engines, some have been published in Model Engineer and elsewhere.

          Jan's engines all have a positive reputation. I built his 'KoffieKop' Coffee Cup engine successfully and can confirm the plans are correct and the engine runs. Works better on an Insulated Travel Coffee Mug full of recently boiled water than an ordinary coffee mug at normal coffee temperature.

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          The picture doesn't show a Stirling driving a Meccano motor as a dynamo! Other way round: I did various experiments measuring the CoffeeCup's power output and this set up was used to measure the Stirling engines internal mechanical friction by driving it with the motor. It's also useful for 'running in' – smoothing rough bits & fine tuning by turning the engine over a few hundred times before attempting to run it as prime mover.

          One tip; I initially fitted dirt cheap ball bearings and followed advice about removing their seals to reduce friction. Worked much better for me when I bought better bearings and left the seals in place.

          Dave

          #417299
          Ian S C
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            @iansc

            Sorry I don't build to plans, but I do have a couple of James G. Rizzo's books, bet to get hold of his "The Stirling Engine Manual" vol 1, and if you take up Stirling Engines try and get vol 2. It is also worth down loading Andy Ross,s book "Making Stirling Engines"(free down load), no plans in this book, but plenty of information.

            First a stove top fan, 30 mm bore, 20 mm stroke power cylinder.

            Second, a little beam engine 3/8" bore, 1/2" stroke power cylinder, the hot cap is the steel casing of a AA size Nicad battery.

            There is about a dozen more motors, you just need to have the correct dimensions and ratios, and a bit of imagination.

            Go for it, and good luck, don't be afraid to ask questions.

            Ian S C

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            #417426
            Mike Brett
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              @mikebrett89695

              Many thanks for your replies.

              I have now found a suitable engine and have started construction. Just one point, the engine I am building and several like it specify stainless steel for the tube that forms the piston cylinder that is heated by a flame. Now is this for cosmetic reasons, as in its easier to clean after use or is it due to the thermal properties of stainless steel. Just wondered as ordinary steel would be easier for me to machine.

              Mike

              #417435
              SillyOldDuffer
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                @sillyoldduffer
                Posted by Mike Brett on 05/07/2019 11:09:34:

                … the engine I am building and several like it specify stainless steel for the tube that forms the piston cylinder that is heated by a flame. Now is this for cosmetic reasons, as in its easier to clean after use or is it due to the thermal properties of stainless steel. Just wondered as ordinary steel would be easier for me to machine.

                Mike

                That requirement put me off building that sort of Stirling engine Mike. The main reason for stainless is its thermal properties with good cosmetics scoring extra brownie points.

                Stirling engines work best when the hot and cold ends are well insulated from each other. As it's the temperature difference than moves the piston, heat leaking through the metal tube from the flame to the cold part reduces the efficiency of the engine. As small engines are marginal this effect is best avoided. Metals like Copper, Silver & Aluminium conduct heat better than mild-steel, and mild-steel is about 3 times more conductive than stainless. That's a significant difference!

                The other requirements that put me off stainless, were 'No Leaks' and 'Minimise Dead Space' Even a tiny air leak at the hot end will stop the engine, and the design I looked at recommended welding. I thought about crimping the end of the tube and sealing it with solder but a crimp (I think) increases dead-space, whilst soft solder won't stick or take the heat. Not sure about silver-solder.

                Alternatives to stainless include ceramics and large Pyrex test tubes, which have their own problems.

                Anyway I chickened out, and built a CoffeeCup instead! But people do build your type of engine and one of them should be better informed.

                Dave

                #417445
                Ian S C
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                  @iansc

                  Ross Yoke ALPHA motordsc01351.jpgThe stainless hot cap is not for good looks as SOD says. Some times you can get cans the right size. mut first few motors the hot end was mad by boring out bars of stainless, mostly 316, there was miles pf razor sharp swarf, but one of those motors is still ok 29 years on. For small motors, the steel (?stainless) case of old Nicad batteries works ok they range in size from AAA to D, and there are other ones in old tool power packs. You can use alkaline battery cases, but the + bump is on the bottom. The cold 1/2 of the displacer cylinder can be made of aluminium, or if you use water cooling steel works well, you can solder a jacket around the water space.

                  The photos are out of order, top as it is now, bottom as built with water cooling, my Ross Yoke ALPHA motor, unpressurised 5 Watt motor, 35 mm bores, and 22 mm stroke. It takes about 20 minutes to cut a bit of 10 mm rebar

                  Ian S C

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