MT3 imperial 7/8″ collet … can it be bought singly ?

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MT3 imperial 7/8″ collet … can it be bought singly ?

This topic has 21 replies, 11 voices, and was last updated 1 August 2014 at 20:25 by jason udall.

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31 July 2014 at 21:17 #159272
murrmac
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I have a need for a MT3 7/8" collet to machine multiple components out of 7/8" aluminium tube .

The only source I can find for such a collet is on Australian sites, and they only sell the item as part of a set …and the set is like $250 +

RGD tools ( who are excellent and from whom I have bought a lot of stuff) only offer MT3 collets up to 3/4".

is it possible to buy a single MT3 7/8" collet ?

TIA …
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31 July 2014 at 21:17 #23433
murrmac
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31 July 2014 at 21:30 #159276
John Durrant
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I would be surprised if there is, the small end of an MT3 is .7780 and 7/8" is .875.
31 July 2014 at 21:42 #159277
AndyP
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Isn't the small end of an MT3 taper less than 7/8" ?

By my reckoning the small end should be about 19.8mm (depends on the length) which is cutting it fine for 3/4" at 19.05mm.

Andy
31 July 2014 at 22:23 #159290
Roderick Jenkins
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Surely it's the big end that's important. I don't suppose that this is going to be a through collet, it will be secured by a drawbar. How about making one from a 3MT soft centre?

Rod
31 July 2014 at 22:52 #159295
murrmac
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Yes, the 3/4" and 5/8" MT3 collets which i am about to buy from RGD tools have a M10 drawbar , and will also (leastways I hope so) have a shoulder up to which I can register the turned end of the workpiece for accurate cutting to length.

Rod, your suggestion makes sense, How would you cut the slots in the end of the collet ?
31 July 2014 at 23:07 #159297
murrmac
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Just to clarify, these are very short components which I will be machining , (maximum length 40mm ) and they will be initially sawn off, with one end accurately faced prior to machining to length.

The components will made from aluminium tube with 1/8" wall, 7/8" OD, 3/4" OD and 5/8" OD,
31 July 2014 at 23:15 #159298
Chris Trice
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@christrice43267
What about making an expanding arbour?
31 July 2014 at 23:16 #159299
Chris Trice
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@christrice43267
Keat’s plate?
31 July 2014 at 23:31 #159300
murrmac
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Posted by Chris Trice on 31/07/2014 23:16:10:
Keat's plate?

Thanks Chris … I had never even heard of a Keats plate until reading your post. yes, that would work, but a collet will be cheaper … the 3/4" and the 5/8" collets from RGD are like £8.25 each … a Keats plate is something like 3 times that.
31 July 2014 at 23:45 #159301
murrmac
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Further investigation leads me to believe that a Keats plate would work fine for facing off the workpiece to length, but I also need to be able to centre it accurately for subsequent boring… so it has to be a collet …
1 August 2014 at 01:09 #159307
Enough!
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Does anyone sell an "emergency" MT3 collet i.e. one that you bore out yourself? I know they are available in 5C but not sure about MT3.

Come to that, is it possible to bore out a 3/4" collet with a carbide tool?
1 August 2014 at 09:04 #159320
Bob Brown 1
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Could always use a MT3 ER40 collet chuck as they go up to 30mm diameter

Bob
1 August 2014 at 09:07 #159321
JohnF
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Murmac, one point on facing to length, it depends how accurate you want to be or what tolerance you have because with this type of collet it will "stop"at a different point each time you close it thus the end stop will be in a different position.

If you want a more consistent length I would use a collet and suitable bar as a back stop in the headstock and grip the work in a chuck then you will have a "dead stop" to locate the length and all components will be the same. Even if the work runs out a little for the facing to length this will not matter then revert to the collet for subsequent operations where concentricity is required.

Regards John
1 August 2014 at 09:31 #159323
murrmac
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Bob, I may well one day rise to purchasing a MT3 ER40 chuck and collet set, but … just a little out of my reach at the moment.

John, I had assumed that these MT3 collets would have a shoulder internally against which I could insert a short "dead stop" which would be slightly less than the collet diameter. Is this not feasible ? I am ordering the 3/4" and 5/8" collets today so I will soon find out !

Your suggestion of facing off to length in the chuck and reverting to the collet for concentricity makes perfect sense, and is indeed what I shall do if my "collet dead stop" idea is a non starter.
1 August 2014 at 10:07 #159325
Bob Brown 1
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I would use soft jaws in a 3 jaw chuck and machine the jaws to the correct diameter, you should be able to retain a stop in the jaws very easily. If you secure the jaws on a piece of material at the back of the jaws then machine to size they should prove quite accurate. Then just use a mandrel to machine the od
1 August 2014 at 10:50 #159331
Roderick Jenkins
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One thing you could try is to make your own collet to fit in the 3 jaw chuck. Something like this:

Ignore the dividing plate. The collet has a peg that snugs up against one of the jaws (always use the same one) and I always tightened the 3 jaw up with the same pinion hole. You can bore the collet to suit, incorporating your depth stop then remove from the chuck to saw the slits ( there is one you can't see from the picture that goes across the diameter flush with the flange. I made both of these with a junior hacksaw, there is room to remove the blade and pass it through the hole before re-attaching to the saw frame). I guess it depends on your 3 jaw chuck but the errors are usually reproducible at the same place on the scroll. It worked for me when doing some helical gear cutting.

HTH

Rod
1 August 2014 at 12:47 #159346
Ian S C
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Bore a hole in a bit of metal (steel, aluminium), a couple of inches long, cut a slot down one side, put it with the bit of aluminium tube in it in the 4 jaw chuck and centre it. Drill the hole under size, and bore it with a boring bar, it will then be straight (drills wander). Ian S C
1 August 2014 at 18:09 #159385
murrmac
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Thanks again to everybody for their advice … very much appreciated.

btw, Ian, forgive my temerity in venturing to question the advice of somebody much more experienced than I, but wouldn't a 3 jaw self centering chuck be better for this operation than a 4 jaw? I am thinking along the lines of Rod's post above …I will be repeating this same operation from time to time, so as long as the homemade collet is aligned the same way every time it is inserted, it should be perfectly concentric every time . Or a meringue? (Scottish joke …)

FWIW I ended up today buying a 3MT – ER32 COLLET CHUCK AND FULL 18PC COLLET SET from RDG … the price of £114 inc vat and carriage seemed very reasonable compared to buying MT3 tapered collets individually. Also, this set will handle every size between 2mm and 20 mm, including imperial sizes, so I am well chuffed.

For the 7/8" tube, I will make a shop-made collet as suggested above by Ian and Rod and others … once again many thanks, and apologies for the weird change in font … no idea how that happened.

Edited By murrmac on 01/08/2014 18:10:41
1 August 2014 at 19:44 #159396
Neil Wyatt
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A bit late to ask now, but if you are only facing to length, is there any requirement for a high level of concentricity?

Neil
1 August 2014 at 20:11 #159401
murrmac
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Posted by Neil Wyatt on 01/08/2014 19:44:21:

A bit late to ask now, but if you are only facing to length, is there any requirement for a high level of concentricity?

Neil

Well, yes Neil, when it comes to boring the tubes out, then there is a requirement for concentricity.,

These tubes are going to become bearing housings … (for miniature bearings obviously) … if the bored recesses ( is that the right word ?) are not concentric, then the shaft/axle won't run to maximum efficiency.
1 August 2014 at 20:25 #159405
jason udall
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As to length…any draw collet like 5c etc. Will pull back further ( even if hydralic rather than drawbar) if part is smaller and vice versa…
Now how much effect will depend on taper of collet and variation of part…

A dead stop of any kind that moves with collet will suffer the same
A dead stop that doesn’t move with collet will need to”displace” the part against the collet jars as they pull back..

How we fixed this in production was a dead stop on the turret
Inset part .turret /stop in . Part to stop ..close collet. ..
A sprung stop in the collet keeps the part against stop…

Even so some pull back can still happen…
But only the final fraction of the collet close travel….
Dead length collets like the Crawford collet multibore systems fix this by keeping the collet still and moving the tapered seat.
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