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    Vic
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      @vic

      If you could buy ER32 collets in tapping drill sizes like 3.3 and 4.2! It would save closing 4 and 5 mm collets down so much. wink

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      Vic
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        @vic
        #232950
        Vic
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          @vic

          Then maybe I should just try and turn the shank down on some drill bits? cheeky

          #232952
          MW
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            @mw27036

            I do understand the scenario, Vic; standing there with a spanner in each hand and using a couple of your remaining fingers to hold the drill in place whilst you tighten it up, you may be onto a niche! If you have the chuck out of the machine with foresight you could sort it out in a bench vice so it frees up one hand and alot more room about you. Thats what i do sometimes, but then again it's not always out of the machine, is it? 

            Michael W

            Edited By Michael Walters on 02/04/2016 15:38:29

            #232956
            Nick_G
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              @nick_g

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              But then they would no longer be 'ER' collets. laugh

              The ER stands for 'Extended range' (I am told) What you desire already exists in the form of the 5C system.

              Nick

              #232957
              ega
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                @ega

                Would the imperial sizes help?

                #232958
                JasonB
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                  @jasonb

                  Imperials come just below/above those two sizes at 1/8" and 3/16"sad

                  Nick I have not seen 5c colletholders that fit a milling spindle or tailstock not to mention the cost of a set of 0.1mm increment 5C colletssurprise

                  What would be handy are emergency ER collects that you could machine to suit commonly used sizes much like you can buy emergency 5C collets

                   

                  Edited By JasonB on 02/04/2016 16:36:40

                  #232959
                  Nick_G
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                    @nick_g

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                    But thinking about the thread title "Wouldn't it be nice"

                    It would be even nicer if character 'Beckett' from the TV series 'Castle' came round and got good-n-dirty in my grubby workshop. devilsmileywink

                     

                    Nick angel

                    Edited By Nick_G on 02/04/2016 16:16:33

                    #232961
                    JasonB
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                      @jasonb

                      The other option is to knock up a few of these for your commonly use size bits then slip them into a larger ER collet, grind a flat on the side of te bit if you feel the need.

                      I made that one when I did not have room for teh ER chuck so had to use a MT3 collet but only had larger sizes.

                      #232963
                      Vic
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                        @vic

                        Actually Jason that's not a bad idea. In the meantime I've turned down the shank of a 4.2 mm drill bit and it's doing the job although I'm not convinced of the concentricity. It will do until Ketan gets some 4.2 and 3.3 ER collets made up … surprise

                        #232965
                        JasonB
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                          @jasonb

                          He does do a 3.5 collet which I don't find too hard to close down on a 3.3drill , lot easier than using a 4mm

                          #232970
                          MW
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                            @mw27036

                            I'm pretty sure you could find a local engineers workshop to spark erode these collet to size. It'll probably cost around £15 for them to do it.

                            Michael W

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                            Vic
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                              @vic
                              Posted by JasonB on 02/04/2016 16:55:28:

                              He does do a 3.5 collet which I don't find too hard to close down on a 3.3drill , lot easier than using a 4mm

                              That's worth knowing, thanks.

                              #232982
                              ega
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                                @ega

                                I don't think anyone mentioned the possibility of using a ball bearing nut to help in closing.

                                #232988
                                Ed Duffner
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                                  @edduffner79357

                                  Could a parallel shank pin-chuck be used and held in a bigger ER32 collet?

                                  Ed.

                                  #232993
                                  Ajohnw
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                                    @ajohnw51620

                                    laughUse er40 and stick a much lower number er collet holder in it. Might be ok in er32 as well but I would probably make the smaller one to go straight into the larger collet socket.

                                    John

                                    #232999
                                    Vic
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                                      @vic
                                      Posted by Ed Duffner on 02/04/2016 18:41:38:

                                      Could a parallel shank pin-chuck be used and held in a bigger ER32 collet?

                                      Ed.

                                      Nice idea but I don't think my biggest pin chuck will take a 4.2. I like your thinking though!

                                      Posted by ega on 02/04/2016 18:12:47:

                                      I don't think anyone mentioned the possibility of using a ball bearing nut to help in closing.

                                      I already use them on both the mill and lathe.

                                      #233003
                                      Ajohnw
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                                        @ajohnw51620

                                        You could hold a cut down er16 extension collet holder in it – even trim the shank up to ensure it runs true with one size of collet in it. I didn't think I would use er16 much on mill but find I do as it gives a much better view of what is going on.

                                        John

                                        #233004
                                        MW
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                                          @mw27036
                                          Posted by Ajohnw on 02/04/2016 20:54:10:

                                          You could hold a cut down er16 extension collet holder in it – even trim the shank up to ensure it runs true with one size of collet in it. I didn't think I would use er16 much on mill but find I do as it gives a much better view of what is going on.

                                          John

                                          Yeah, ER40 for example, takes probably 2-3 in. of daylight away from you, so i use ER20 and sits right up close to the spindle.

                                          Michael W

                                          #233026
                                          Anonymous

                                            I just use a drill chuck on a 1/2" parallel shank in a 1/2" collet. The only time I use a drill in a collet is when I'm seriously restricted in height.

                                            Edited By Peter Greene on 03/04/2016 01:36:18

                                            #233050
                                            Steve Withnell
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                                              @stevewithnell34426

                                              Wouldn't it be nice to have a set of stub drills in 0.1mm increments to 6mm…or to 10mm?

                                               

                                              PS: At model engineering prices,  not aerospace tool room prices

                                              Edited By Steve Withnell on 03/04/2016 10:04:43

                                              #233052
                                              Vic
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                                                @vic

                                                I'd be a little concerned about concentricity of putting a bit in a chuck in a collet but it does sound like a simple solution provided there's enough Z height.

                                                #233105
                                                Anonymous
                                                  Posted by Vic on 03/04/2016 10:11:58:

                                                  I'd be a little concerned about concentricity of putting a bit in a chuck in a collet but it does sound like a simple solution provided there's enough Z height.

                                                  I think of it the other way round, Vic. A drill and drilling is not the most precision of tools/operations. Putting the drill bit in a collet (other than to gain height) seems a bit over the top. The runout in the drill bit itself probably swamps anything else.

                                                  #233106
                                                  Anonymous
                                                    Posted by Steve Withnell on 03/04/2016 10:03:52:

                                                    Wouldn't it be nice to have a set of stub drills in 0.1mm increments to 6mm…or to 10mm?

                                                     

                                                    Yes, it is. smiley

                                                    1.5 thru' 8mm in 0.1mm increments. The biggest problem is storage/indexing – I don't trust the usual drill caddy at those increments.

                                                     

                                                     

                                                    Edited By Peter Greene on 03/04/2016 17:39:05

                                                    #233109
                                                    Vic
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                                                      @vic
                                                      Posted by Peter Greene on 03/04/2016 17:31:41:

                                                      Posted by Vic on 03/04/2016 10:11:58:

                                                      I'd be a little concerned about concentricity of putting a bit in a chuck in a collet but it does sound like a simple solution provided there's enough Z height.

                                                      I think of it the other way round, Vic. A drill and drilling is not the most precision of tools/operations. Putting the drill bit in a collet (other than to gain height) seems a bit over the top. The runout in the drill bit itself probably swamps anything else.

                                                      Sorry, I didn't mean to imply I was using a collet to improve the accuracy. I just didn't want to keep taking out the collet chuck to put a drill chuck in! Just a bit of a time saver. I'll have a look out for a small chuck on a straight shaft.

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