What’s the best alternative to ‘loctited’

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

The box could end up containing more that the article particularly if it were something in readers tips.

[Brian GParticipant @briang]

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 23/05/2018 17:31:17:

But what if it's an application where several types would do? What if the author uses what they have, rather than a cheaper or better alternative, simply because they happen to have it handy and it will do the job?

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That is why I believe the category of product as well as the product should be included, whether it is a sealant, retainer, adhesive, permanent or temporary threadlocker. "Bonded" tells us none of this, the last time I bonded anything it was with copper wire and a label saying "Safety electrical connection, do not remove"

As far as fits and tolerances are concerned, if we know the product used we can probably follow the manufacturer's instructions. After all, the clearance between silver soldered components isn't normally mentioned in articles.

Brian

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Whoa hold on everybody! Think about what you are asking.

Do you REALLY want me to contact every author who doesn't specify what adhesive they used?

If I do that will the next request be for tolerances and fits to ISO specifications? Tooling used, including insert composition and code? Feeds and speeds? Exact alloy specifications for all raw materials? Material specifications for all fasteners? Colour codes for paint…

Perhaps the next person who says they shined up a surface with emery should specify the actual abrasive, bond and grit size, or get their manuscript rejected.

Very seriously, I suspect everyone who is asking for this data know exactly what they would use.

An article to guide those who don't would be far more useful. Is anyone prepared to stick their head above the parapet and offer one?

Neil

[phil gardinerParticipant @philgardiner73127]

What was used before "loctite" ,maybe just a good fit.

[Mark RandParticipant @markrand96270]

I'm quite happy with the vernacular term 'loctited'. I'm far happier with an indication of which particular adhesive was used, and why. I quite often use Permabond 1046 for poor fits. Why? because I've got a couple of large bottles of the stuff and it's thicker than Loctite 603 or 648 .

Edited By Mark Rand on 24/05/2018 03:27:28

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 23/05/2018 21:11:51:

Whoa hold on everybody! Think about what you are asking.

Do you REALLY want me to contact every author who doesn't specify what adhesive they used?

If I do that will the next request be for tolerances and fits to ISO specifications? Tooling used, including insert composition and code? Feeds and speeds? Exact alloy specifications for all raw materials? Material specifications for all fasteners? Colour codes for paint…

Perhaps the next person who says they shined up a surface with emery should specify the actual abrasive, bond and grit size, or get their manuscript rejected.

Very seriously, I suspect everyone who is asking for this data know exactly what they would use.

An article to guide those who don't would be far more useful. Is anyone prepared to stick their head above the parapet and offer one?

Neil

Nobody wanted anything changed until YOU brought up the subject

[not done it yetParticipant @notdoneityet]

Yep, best alternative is “loctited”!

If it ain’t broke, why try to fix it?

Edited By not done it yet on 24/05/2018 07:32:17

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Mark Rand on 24/05/2018 03:26:31:

… I quite often use Permabond 1046 for poor fits. Why? because I've got a couple of large bottles of the stuff and it's thicker than Loctite 603 or 648 .

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Concise and helpful information, Mark

That's just the sort of note I would like to read in MEW articles.

MichaelG.

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

Could lead to trouble though. I have a few old coat hangers and often use them as they are thicker than fuse wire

[SamsarandaParticipant @samsaranda]

Jason, dangerous to joke about substitution for fuses, many years ago I remember a joke being made “ use a 2BA bolt “ and the dimwit tried to fit one in the fuse holder , stopped before any damage was done but a close shave.

Dave W

[MikeParticipant @mike89748]

Back in the 1960s, when I was living in digs, my landlady complained she was getting shocks off her electric cooker. I went to the fuse box to pull the fuse, and found the cartridge had been replaced with a cut-down 6-inch nail. When I asked who had done such a stupid thing, she said it was her son, and he'd done it because six months previously the cooker kept blowing fuses. Another close shave…….

[stefan rondeParticipant @stefanronde37935]

loctite 270 i prefer

[not done it yetParticipant @notdoneityet]

And there was the bloke, in the US, who used a bullet as a fuse in his car. Not sure ig he completely joined the Darwin awards, but certainly would only have been firing on one cylinder, at best!

[Speedy Builder5Participant @speedybuilder5]

Will we have to be more precise about deburring to read such as "place 0.05mm radius on all edges and 45degree x 0.5mm chamfer on all holes. " or Like on the BBC, you will find Etc, Etc on page nn of the Radio Times, other listings are available. This is meant to be a Hobby Magazine, don't lets get too serious else Loctite will be just the start of a downward spiral.
BobH

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Posted by JasonB on 24/05/2018 07:04:53:

Nobody wanted anything changed until YOU brought up the subject

I asked for a one-word alternative to the 'verb' 'loctited' not paragraph-long ones…

Neil

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Posted by Mark Rand on 24/05/2018 03:26:31:

… I quite often use Permabond 1046 for poor fits. Why? because I've got a couple of large bottles of the stuff and it's thicker than Loctite 603 or 648 .

Inspiration at last …. 'permabonded'.

Sorted!

Neil

[not done it yetParticipant @notdoneityet]

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 24/05/2018 18:36:32:

Posted by Mark Rand on 24/05/2018 03:26:31:

… I quite often use Permabond 1046 for poor fits. Why? because I've got a couple of large bottles of the stuff and it's thicker than Loctite 603 or 648 .

Inspiration at last …. 'permabonded'.

Sorted!

Neil

Inspiration – maybe. Sorted – No.

Still loctited for the vast majority, I would guess.

But if it ends this thread, all well and good.!

[MikeParticipant @mike89748]

A pal who is a retired toolroom engineer always calls these engineering adhesives/threadlockers "the bad engineer's friend." But then, he calls my copies of Model Engineer "Toytown Engineering", so maybe he isn't such a good pal after all…..

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

Yes lets get back to proper engineering terms and methods and have "light press fit" "firm press fit" and " shrink fit" for these the male part will have to be turned to  "full" nominal size to varying amounts and the female will have to be "shy" of nominal. At least the novice knew where he stood with these terms and could easily measure them with steel rule and firm leg callipers.

J

 

PS Neil is it's a sponsored article you will have to use "Truloced"

Edited By JasonB on 24/05/2018 19:07:49

[Roderick JenkinsParticipant @roderickjenkins93242]

Having used "loctited" on this very forum back in October I remain sceptical about "permabonded" entering the language.

Anyway, I seem to be treading a lot of swarf about the house so I must go and electrolux the carpet.

Rod

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

One very good thing about Permabond is the little book by Mr. W.A. Lees

**LINK**

… It's a great pity that they have not seen fit to update it.

I treasure my 1984 copy with its 'expert system' on floppy disk.

MichaelG.

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Posted by JasonB on 24/05/2018 19:04:41:

Yes lets get back to proper engineering terms and methods and have "light press fit" "firm press fit" and " shrink fit" for these the male part will have to be turned to "full" nominal size to varying amounts and the female will have to be "shy" of nominal.

Good job you didn't use 'bare' instead of 'shy'

[I.M. OUTAHEREParticipant @i-m-outahere]

For a joke i covered the labels of my various loctite products with new labels of my own design :

Retaining compound became " stick ya bastard " , sealer became "don't leak ya bastard" and threadlocker became "stay there ya bastard " .

Any guesses what i call insect repellent ???

I used to work with a toolmaker that called retaining compounds snot and parts held together by it as snotted – his theory was that the person that made parts that needed snot on them could only work to tolerances that snot could run through ! I can sort of see his point as it really is like liquid sticky tape !

[Clive IndiaParticipant @cliveindia]

Posted by XD 351 on 25/05/2018 08:31:52:

For a joke i covered the labels of my various loctite products with new labels of my own design:
Retaining compound became " stick ya bastard " , sealer became "don't leak ya bastard" and threadlocker became "stay there ya bastard " .
I used to work with a toolmaker that called retaining compounds snot and parts held together by it as snotted – his theory was that the person that made parts that needed snot on them could only work to tolerances that snot could run through ! I can sort of see his point as it really is like liquid sticky tape !

Good system. Like it.

Presumably demonstrates, despite numbers indicating otherwise, there are really only 3 types of Loctite.

I regularly us shitite as filler for keeping water out of electrical boxes. Muckite is the cheaper alternative.

 

Edited By Clive India on 25/05/2018 09:38:12

[John ReeseParticipant @johnreese12848]

Some brand names have been adopted as generic terms: Crescent wrench, Kleins (lineman's pliers), Stillson wrench, etc. I think the same is happening with Loctite.

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