VAT changes post Brexit

[VicParticipant @vic]

I’ve posted something similar before but this seems quite straightforward?

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Actually looking on eBay it does say that VAT in included in the listed price. I don’t see why sellers would need to register for VAT if eBay are collecting it.

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 08/01/2021 10:49:10:

Dave,

Please see my post, immediately above yours

MichaelG.

Ha, that wasn't there when I typed my post! Looks like the new system in action and ebay are collecting on behalf of the customer so the foreign supplier doesn't have to register. I wonder if Banggood and the others are equally up to speed?

Dave

[John HinkleyParticipant @johnhinkley26699]

Have a look at the ebay receipt, John

… Mine clearly showed VAT

MichaelG.

[photo to follow, when I have redacted personal details]

Touché, Michael. Never seen one of those and I can't find anything like it for my transaction. Nearest thing is this:

Where should I look for the ebay receipt, please?

John

 

Edited By John Hinkley on 08/01/2021 15:59:49

[IanTParticipant @iant]

I did look into this further the other day and was reassured – at least from the point of view of someone below the VAT threshold selling within the UK . This covers it….from eBay's UK site

"In practice, the following three situations will normally trigger mandatory VAT registration:

1. If you are an EU established seller and your business is trading over the legal thresholds defined by your home country you must ensure that you are registered for VAT. The thresholds vary between EU countries and are currently anything from 0 EUR in Spain to 85,000 GBP in UK. In practice, this means that you must register for VAT immediately if you are a Spanish business (no minimum threshold), whereas you are required to register for VAT as an UK seller only after you have made over 85,000 GBP sales within 12 consecutive months.
2. If you are selling goods that are warehoused/pre-deployed in any other country than your home country, then you must register for VAT immediately in the EU country where your goods are located. There is no minimal threshold and this rule also applies for sellers from outside of the EU with inventory pre-deployed in the EU.
3. If you sell a lot of goods located in one EU country to private buyers in another EU country (distance selling), you may also be required to register for and collect VAT in the country of your buyer if you exceed specific thresholds for that country. These range from 26,135 EUR for distance sales to Romania to 100,000 EUR for Germany. Note that in July 2021, the EU distance selling rules will align and businesses selling more than EUR 10,000 EUR cross border will need to collect VAT based on the delivery country. "

As Dave says – we are likely going to be paying VAT on those 'grey' imports in future – and UK VAT registered companies will have to give their VAT registration number to eBay – whereas private sellers will not – and this is what will drive any VAT charges. Seems that it's just coming here 6 months before the EU does it in July.

Regards,

IanT

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by John Hinkley on 08/01/2021 15:50:23:

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Where should I look for the ebay receipt, please?

John

 

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Here you go, John

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Ref. my post of 04-Jan-2021

MichaelG.

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 08/01/2021 16:26:07

[John HinkleyParticipant @johnhinkley26699]

Thanks, Michael. I managed to navigate there and found this:

Unless there is some sort of delay in the process, I read this as no VAT to pay. Or maybe postie will demand payment on delivery?

The plot thickens ……..

John

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by JasonB on 08/01/2021 19:56:35:

John, on the listing at the end of the line where it states postage: free Standard SpeedPAK …………. click on the blue "see details" and than look down the page at taxes. Says it includes 20% VAT

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My purchase will be arriving by mail, and ebay collects the VAT separately

John’s purchase will be arriving via SpeedPAK, and ebay collects the VAT within that service

**LINK** : https://parcelsapp.com/en/carriers/speedpak

… All makes sense [for HMRC at least]

MichaelG.

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

I did just delete my post as I thought I had it wrong as the price for the same item listing number from same seller that included the VAT was £75.59 not the price on John's listing maybe they have recently updated the listing and uppe dtheir price to include VAt and a bit more to boot?

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Mmmm … interesting

John should be able to look at the previous listing “item you bought”

Definitely worth keeping a copy IF it shows VAT incuded

MichaelG.

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Just checked the current listing, and the Make an Offer box:

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 08/01/2021 20:29:06

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

I suspect you might have bagged a bargain, John

… Just had a look at the sold item on that date

MichaelG.

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

have you looked at the revisions Michael, none since end of December

[John HinkleyParticipant @johnhinkley26699]

This is starting to get out of hand! Just followed Jason's route to blue "see details" and it does, indeed, say VAT included. (The discount was a special offer received after I viewed the item a couple of times and put it in my watch list, while I dithered about the purchase. I ignored the offer for two days, then took the plunge.) This was the original advert:

I've taken up too much space on this thread already so will stop posting here now until it arrives and/or I'm charged VAT.

John

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

Now you have everyone reaching for their "Watch this item" box and crossing their fingers for the discount

But that would explain the difference between listed price and what you paid.

Edited By JasonB on 08/01/2021 20:47:31

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by JasonB on 08/01/2021 20:42:49:

have you looked at the revisions Michael, none since end of December

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I’ve done enough screen grabs [and conversions to jpg] for one day … but what I did notice was that the original listing was terminated by the Seller ‘because there was an error’ … hence my suggestion that John should keep a copy of the actual listing that he bought from.

MichaelG.

[Les Jones 1Participant @lesjones1]

I ordered one of these this morning as a result of LINK REMOVED (I also ordered a set of 15 ER11 collets for about £12.00) I too was wondering if there be additional charges when it arrives.

Les.

Edited By JasonB on 09/01/2021 06:57:51

[VicParticipant @vic]

Perhaps some of you brave pioneers can update us with the details of your toy purchases in a new thread when they arrive!

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Les Jones 1 on 08/01/2021 22:11:47:

I ordered one of these this morning as a result of LINK REMOVED (I also ordered a set of 15 ER11 collets for about £12.00) I too was wondering if there be additional charges when it arrives.

Les.

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Banggood has a very different business model to ebay, Les … so I will be very interested to see what happens.

My guess [and hope] is that your purchase will slip through [see my thread about Notice 143]

… but that probably depends on which Postal/Courier service delivers it to you.

Fingers crossed !!

MichaelG

Edited By JasonB on 09/01/2021 06:58:42

[Brian GParticipant @briang]

Has anybody tried buying books from the EU since Brexit? I am hoping that there would be no problem as books are zero rated in the UK but would rather know before ordering as it may help me to talk somebody into shipping to this apparently outcast island as many sellers appear to have abandoned us.

My own stupid fault, I wanted the book (on Dutch trams) for months but forgot to order it in time despite expecting Brexit to be a total disaster.

Brian G

[Les Jones 1Participant @lesjones1]

Re my post on 08/01/21. The spindle that I ordered from China arrived today. There was nothing to pay.
(The collets that were ordered at the same time have not yet arrived.)

Les.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

At Vic’s request, I recently started this new thread: **LINK**

https://www.model-engineer.co.uk/forums/postings.asp?th=170485&p=1

MichaelG.

[John HinkleyParticipant @johnhinkley26699]

Just to tidy up my input to this thread – the package arrived this morning via Royal Mail. There was no demand for any sort of payment, VAT or otherwise. I'm still not sure whether my experience has clarified matters at all! But it is what it is; you can take from it what you will.

John

[duncan webster 1Participant @duncanwebster1]

Lots of stuff in Times recently about this, many small businesses in UK giving up on exporting to EU, and EU companies refusing to sell to UK. I'll not say any more as it would get political

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Looks like the BBC has picked-up on this issue : **LINK**

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55752541

MichaelG.

[John HinkleyParticipant @johnhinkley26699]

Sorry to resurrect this old chestnut, but I wonder what the collective think of this conundrum?

Earlier this year, I entered an online competition and to my utter astonishment, won first prize! (It was NOT a scam!) I have today received confirmation that the prize has been dispatched form California via FEDEX and should arrive in about 4-5 days. I am hoping that there will be no import duty, VAT or whatever to pay as the prize has a value of approximately $US1380, although, of course,it has cost me nothing. I have sent an email to HMRC asking for clarification, but I'm not expecting a reply anytime soon.

Anyone want to place a wager?

John

[Mark RandParticipant @markrand96270]

VAT and/or import duties will be levied.

Got clobbered by this when the manufacturer sent some correctly working devices as a warrantee fix for equipment that had a fault without requiring the originals back.

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