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    Iain Downs
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      So for Christmas I made a Candlestick out of steel and brass. Mainly to prove to SWMBO that my hobby could actually produce recognisable things.

      candlestick.jpg

      This quite confused her as it was reasonably good and recognisable, but soon enough she found the flaw. It drips wax. It's a fire risk. It needs a wax catcher. And it was duly put to one side.

      Never one to be daunted, I've eventually got round to making my wax catcher.

      the idea was a round plate of brass flat to the base of the tulip thing that has the candle in and then curving up.

      In metalwork in the Dark Ages we were told about spinning (and may have seen a demo, though that's beyond my memory).

      I've put a threaded hole in an MT3 blank, made a drawbar for it and added a 50mm extension (which is the size of the tulip things outside diameter).

      I mounted the brass place more or less snipped to shape onto a piece of ply and bolted it to the MT3 thing (is that an arbour of sorts?).

      making it round.jpg

      That worked really rather well (always a bad sign).

      Next took the wood back off, bolted the plate back on, turn the speed up to high and tried to reshape it.

      ready for spinning.jpg

      Somehow, it's managed to have almost no effect except to buckle the plate very slightly out of flat (1mm or so).

      I can get a curve out of the brass with my pusher as it spins (first a spanner end and then a hammer shaft to get a bit of leverage), but it always springs back (apart from the buckle I've somehow put in). The curve looks to be around 10 – 15 mm at the edge so it's a fair amount.

      The plate is about 3mm thick and 100mm diameter the inner diameter (the tulip ) is about 50mm.

      Don't ask me what sort of brass it is. It's the sort sold at the Alexandra Palace show.

      Any assistance would be welcome (including the less than ideal, 'You can't do that with brass you daft brick'.

      Thanks

       

      Iain

      Edited By Iain Downs on 22/07/2017 18:40:35

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      #8807
      Iain Downs
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        @iaindowns78295

        Can it be done

        #308291
        Anonymous

          I'll probably be excoriated by forum members for replying when I haven't actually done any serious metal spinning. But I have been reading up about it, as I plan to spin the chimney caps for my traction engines rather than use the castings I bought (refund I hope). Two thoughts:

          1. Has the brass been annealed?

          2> I think you'll need a lot of leverage to spin 3mm brass. If you look at pictures of spinners at work they use tools with long handles. The handle goes under the armpit and they're using their whole body to apply plenty of welly (technical term).

          Andrew

          #308294
          John P
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            @johnp77052

            Hi Iain,

            Try annealing the brass before spinning,carefully heat all over to nearly red and

            allow to cool.I use a wheel type of tool ,the one in the photo is about 4 inch in diameter.For inside edges

            or sharp forms a mounted ballrace can be used as seen on right hand side.

            faceplate.jpg

            #308297
            John P
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              @johnp77052

              Hi Iain ,
              Here is a better view of the spinning tool making something similar to
              what you are doing ,material is stainless steel.
              John
              spinning.jpg

              #308299
              Speedy Builder5
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                @speedybuilder5

                Blimey – 3mm thick. What sort of lathe have you got – one with plenty of grunt I hope.
                BobH

                #308301
                Speedy Builder5
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                  @speedybuilder5

                  Have you read this thread ?
                  **LINK**
                  BobH

                  #308305
                  Iain Downs
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                    @iaindowns78295

                    Thanks all.

                    I was afraid it was annealing. I don't have a blowtorch or similar. Why is it that you always need just one more thing.

                    Does anyone have a recommendation for something I could get from B&Q or homebase that would be decent starter for this sort of thing and soldering?

                    The

                    lathe is a 500W motor 7×14 Real Bull. I reckon it might just do the job if I soften the brass.

                    Iain

                    #308307
                    JasonB
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                      @jasonb

                      Well it does depend on who you bought it from at Ally Pally but I would say it's 95% likely you have a hard brass like CZ120 which will be difficult to spin even if annelaed, half hadd CZ108 would be a bit better as that is whats used when you need to bend it such as loco and traction engine tenders. Best for the job would be actual spinning brass CZ106 which is even softer.

                      3mm thick is also going to need a hell of a lot of force to spin, try something 0.5mm to 1.0mm thick.

                      I have spun steel using a rounded hardened tool held in the toolpost, this cap on the end of the cylinder was done that way and for a one off easier than making a load of spinning tools and rests.

                      J

                      #308313
                      Iain Downs
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                        @iaindowns78295

                        Off to eBay for me then.

                        Iain

                        #308362
                        Gordon W
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                          @gordonw

                          Iain- Kitchen stove for heat source ? Look in the cheap shops- often have small torches at good price.

                          #308552
                          Oldiron
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                            Most small plumbers blow lamps should give you enough heat to anneal copper or brass sheet. Have a look at Emma Ritson's YouTube channel. She made a spinning bar for her small Lorch lathe to spin the copper end plates for her boiler build. You might get some inspiration there.

                            #308555
                            Andrew Tinsley
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                              @andrewtinsley63637

                              If you want to make things easy, then use guilders metal instead of brass. It will spin far more easily than brass and SWAMBO won't be able to tell the difference in colour!

                              Andrew.

                              #309472
                              Iain Downs
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                                @iaindowns78295

                                OK. Kind of success….

                                So I ordered some CZ106, but then realised that the disc was actually only 1mm thick, so I decided to carry on with that. I borrowed a blowtorch from a chum and found some firebricks I'd bought earlier. So two mistakes there. I suspect sticking with the original brass has made things more challenging and the firebricks are for a hearth so designed to absorb not reflect heat. I had the devils own job getting it red when it was touching the brocks.

                                The first time round I was freestyling. This time I made a former and used the topslide with a bolt in to apply pressure.

                                spinning.jpg

                                The main challenge with that was that at 10 degrees the cross and topslide were too close together so I had to take the handles off and turn with an allen key.

                                I had to anneal 4 times to get close to what I wanted. In the end I gave up with getting a cone and settled for a sort of saucer.

                                spun.jpg

                                You can see the profile above

                                So it's worked and I've learned loads of stuff. and the candlestick now has a catcher.

                                stickwithcatcher.jpg

                                catcher.jpg

                                Unfortunately, the catcher hasn't really added to the aesthetics of the stick and the form and finish are a way off perfect.

                                So success, but it could have been better. I can add spinning to the list of things I can do at a mediocre level in the shop. smiley

                                Many thanks for all the advice.

                                Iain

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