Help with a myford lathe??

[Harry BatchelorParticipant @harrybatchelor91013]

[Harry BatchelorParticipant @harrybatchelor91013]

Hi,

I recently purchased a Myford M lathe and was hoping someone might be able to tell me the very basics on using. At the moment I can't even figure how to turn it on! It's in my garage and I can't move it and dont have power there yet, will it run off a petrol generator?

How do I start it up?

Thanks in advance.

[Tim StevensParticipant @timstevens64731]

I wouldn't try connecting to a generator, not yet. You need to work out exactly what you have got.

If it is an ML7 – the M type most general for metal turning – there should be an electric motor fixed at the left of the machine, and at the back. The body stands on four cast-in feet. The motor should have a v-belt driving a bigger pulley on a shaft with a three-pulley cone, and another belt to the main spindle. Before you turn anything on, you need to check that the motor turns (by hand), and that when it turns the pulleys and the main spindle also turn more slowly, but without anything catching.

Before you start it, you also need to have it bolted down securely and level, or damage is likely to be caused.

Why not have a look and see if there is further information on the machine, and we might be able to help further. A photo or two would be wonderful, too.

Cheers, Tim

[Harry BatchelorParticipant @harrybatchelor91013]

Hi Tim,

 

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

I'm not even sure what model it is – perhaps an 'M' Type post Drummond? Or ML2/4.

I've added some pictures below.

As you will see from the pics it has a 3 pin 240v single phase plug but this goes straight into the motor there is no on/off switch?

I just want to check it is running okay and sell it on to be honest as I wont use it, and want it to go to someone who will get use from it. It seems a shame to leave it sitting in my garage.

 

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[frank brownParticipant @frankbrown22225]

Big thing, has it a 13 A plug on a lead?, if so no big problem, you will need a generator of at least 1KW to start it but the running power will be lower.

If its got a three core mains lead, then if you recognise the colours, then fit a 13 A plug and go.

If its got a four core lead then the motor in the machine is for three phase and will not plug and play with domestic mains.

If there is no lead, then trace any cable coming out of the motor, it should go to some sort of switch, which if you are lucky will be labelled forward, stop and reverse.

Would be a good opportunity to turn the motor by hand and see that the belt moves OK and likewise the chuck. it would be a shame to power up the motor if any of the shafts in the lathe are seized.

Frank

[Harry BatchelorParticipant @harrybatchelor91013]

Thanks Frank.

I've turned the motor by hand and all belts turn.

Just strange there is no switch.

I'm pretty sure it is a standard 3 core plug which is fitted.

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

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[Thor 🇳🇴Participant @thor]

Hi Harry,

Have you checked out Tony's lathes.co.uk site? You will find information on Myford lathes here, you should also be able to get a manual from Tony if you don't already have one.

If you want an introduction to using a lathe, have a look here.

Thor

[Tim StevensParticipant @timstevens64731]

What a jolly looking – but quite old – device. Not ML7, but perhaps a relative?

Where are you, Harry?

Cheers, Tim

[Harry BatchelorParticipant @harrybatchelor91013]

I have looked on lathes.co.uk and emailed Tony earlier this week.

There is very limited info on the 'J' serial number, it is either a Myford 'M' type or an ML2/ML4 but i'm not sure.

I'm down in Sussex Tim.

The lathe is (or will be) for sale – as soon as I can test its functionality!

Thanks all.

[EugeneParticipant @eugene]

Harry,

There is also  a Yahoo internet group devoted to Myford / Drummond lathes and the M type has a large following there with lots of information. 

Depending on condition, tools supplied, equipment and specification they sell on E-Bay from about £75 for a rust ridden wreck to £450 -500 for a pristine well equipped model on a stand.

Regards,

Eug

 

 

 

Edited By Eugene Molloy on 18/03/2015 18:20:17

[Harry BatchelorParticipant @harrybatchelor91013]

Pics now above.

Anyone got any ideas on on/off switch!?

[Tim StevensParticipant @timstevens64731]

All you need, I think, is an extension lead with a switched outlet. Best to have the switch handy to the lathe and not three rooms away. Please apply lots of oil to everything that can move before you switch it on.

And let me know how much and I will work out how to get to Sussex. I'm in mid Wales

Cheers, Tim

[BazyleParticipant @bazyle]

It looks like a Drummond stand and Drummond M type tailstock but Myford ML motor mount so it might have been hybridised a bit in its life.
It is operated from the other side and the topmost moving slide (called the topslide in the UK) is 180 degrees the wrong way round.
Take the belt off the motor, plug it in, stand back and turn on. If the motor runs then smile but if the lump under the motor explodes don't panic, it's just a capacitor. But don't try and use it until all bearings have been cleaned and oiled, all slideways derusted or you will be grinding it down with rust particles.

Hunt around this site until you identfy it.

[BazyleParticipant @bazyle]

Posted by Harry Batchelor on 18/03/2015 18:12:59:

Pics now above.

Anyone got any ideas on on/off switch!?

What's all this fuss about a switch? Loads of things don't have a switch. The EU regulation that requires everything to have a switch (unless it has a standby mode of less that 0.5W) was only brought in about 2007 and I think we can all safely agree this was built and first sold to the public a bit before that.

(yeah yeah when the new owner sorts it out they can put an emergency stop on it)

[Harry BatchelorParticipant @harrybatchelor91013]

Ok, thanks for all the help. Will have a further play with it this week and see if I can't kill myself.

Then it'll be on eBay I expect.

Wish me luck.

[EugeneParticipant @eugene]

Anyone got any ideas on on/off switch!?

Harry,

The M Types were originally equipped with a rotating switch known as a "Dewhurst". They are a safety hazard and many M Type users have binned them and just rely on the wall switch. If you are selling on I suggest you do the same for testing purposes, but point out to purchasers that they should ensure their own electrical safety arrangements through a professional electrician.

From the pics I can confirm it's a standard size Myford M Type, complete with the original Norman patent tool holder, countershaft, tailstock and belt guard. 1946 was just about the end of the production run. I don't think the stand is contemporary, it looks to be from an earlier time when these machines were foot driven, a bit like an old fashioned sewing machine; not that it matters much. The red paint is a later addition too.

Apart from change gears and chucks, the other significant missing bit is the cast iron cover for the gear train. As, when and if you sell it, advise anyone disassembling the machine for easy transport to be very careful with the cast iron motor plate unit; it's dead easy to snap it.

Eug

 

 

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[Harry BatchelorParticipant @harrybatchelor91013]

Thanks Euqene – Top info!

I think I have all the missing parts you mention in a crate which also numerous tools, cogs, etc… there's a whole crate full of accessories for the machine.

Any idea on value in current state if it runs?

[EugeneParticipant @eugene]

Even if the motor doesn't run, if the spindle runs free, and all the other bits are present and correct, around £300 – 350, but bear in mind that like a lot of things this stuff is worth what people want to pay. I've got two MTypes and paid about that for each of them. Best of luck with it, but I've got enough of them thank you!

Eug

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[KWILParticipant @kwil]

Frankly its a museum piece and thats where it should be

[V8EngParticipant @v8eng]

There's a lot of people out there using museum pieces on a regular basis, most of them refitted, tidied up and made safe.

I know of a town museum that has a round bed Drummond on permanent display, not read anyone on here describing those as museum pieces though!

As an aside: I think that to comply with UK electrical regulations, motors above a certain power need to be fitted with No Volt Release systems, perhaps one of the electrical guys on here can advise?

Edited to correct auto spell correction.

Edited By V8Eng on 19/03/2015 08:56:31

[EugeneParticipant @eugene]

V8,

Agreed.

The M types can do very nice work in the right hands; unfortunately I seem to have two left ones! However on a good day, with care, I can turn down to tenths on my standard size one. We were both born in 1946 so we fit together, museum pieces or not.

Someone with a modest budget starting out in the hobby has a choice to make when it comes to small lathes; old British iron, or new import from China. I've learned a lot from titivating the M Types, probably more than I needed and certainly more than I intended (!) but it's been, and continues to be, fun.

From a personal safety point of view I regard an NVR as mandatory, never mind the regulations.

Eug

[Ian S CParticipant @iansc]

Don't worry about it's age, it's only a youngster, a mate (used to be on this forum) was using an old Barns lathe, at least 100 years old until his workshop was damaged in the February 2011 earth quake, it had been a treadle machine, but had been converted to electric power.

Ian S C

[Ady1Participant @ady1]

A good lathe which will last a lifetime in the right hands

I whittled down a 35mm bar to 20mm last night with 0.5mm cuts on a carbide tool

They are the Singer sewing machines of the lathe world, good enough to be used even today

[BazyleParticipant @bazyle]

Now on ebay as a Drummond, with better photos, but still not of the front which would have made the ID a bit more obvious. The Myford plate on the back may have been the only space for the label and its list of change wheels or a deliberate decoy some time back in its 70 year history.

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