Coronavirus death stats

[Howard LewisParticipant @howardlewis46836]

No one wants to lose face

Howard

[Ian Skeldon 2Participant @ianskeldon2]

Well you can all believe or disbelieve whatever you like, however as someone working in a hospital all I can say is something is filling our beds and the three temporary morgues we have alongside our permanent one. It is nothing like the flu, the flu tends to make most of the people that catch it feel really ill for a week to ten days, covid 19 makes you wish it was the flu, at times patients give up the fight, other times it attacks or damages major organs causing a full failure, as if that wasn't bad enough we have patients with us who have been in hospital for months and will never have their old life back.

So don't worry about the figures or stats, just take real care and take sensible precautions, I really hope we will all be on this forum for many more years to come, stay safe.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Well said, Ian

Keep up the brave work.

MichaelG.

[J HancockParticipant @jhancock95746]

Prediction. This will never , completely , 'be over' , we will live with it , forever.

[SteviegtrParticipant @steviegtr]

Most of the past diseases will be with us forever, as long as we have a jab for it.

The 1st wave ,i knew no-one who had it. This time, it's mad. My next door neighbour has just finished their quarantine period. They all had it. 6 of them. The Hubby is still really bad with his breathing & continually tired. A good friend who will be known by many forum members ,sadly passed away last week with it. He was a brilliant engineer & i spent many hours in his workshop watching him building steam engines. He used to build boilers for Blackgates, many moons ago. Sadly they would not put him in ICU because he had been on Oxygen for around a year. Very poorly man. The Covid took him big style. I only go out if i have to, which is very rarely. It will stay that way for now. Take care everyone.

Steve.

[DMBParticipant @dmb]

"USA 1 in 838" Probably whole country average. On BBC news this week, 1 in 5 in Los Angeles! And 60,000 rough sleepers. What is going wrong with one of the supposedly most advanced countries on earth? I don't know of anyone who has or had C-19. Only go out for daily walk, sometimes at night to avoid passersby or if in the day, drop in to a shop for milk and a few other bits, eggs, fruit, fresh veg., catfood stocks.Keep raiding my large freezer for meat, bread, frozen veg. Start car for 15 mins once a week, but have new battery anyway. Workshop getting daily useage.

[Paul LousickParticipant @paullousick59116]

We are extremely fortunate in Australia and have not sufferer as much as you have in UK. Although we are on the other side of the world, we did shut down our borders in the early days of the ourbreak.

The wearing of masks, sanitising hands, limiting people at venues and social distancing has helped to control the spread of the virus. We are encouraged to not leave home unless absolutely necessary and have a Covid test if we have the slightest symptom of a cold or sore throat. Testing is free to everyone.

To track and control the spreading of the virus, stores are required to register all customers. We use the camera on our mobile phone to scan a QR code as we enter and if an infected person has visited the store, all other customers can be contacted and tested.

State and International borders have been re-opened and limited international flights have comenced but to prevent the spread of COVID-19 all travellers arriving in Australia have to go into government approved mandatory quarantine and be free of the virus for a minimum of 14 days.

Out of our population of 25 million we have had 28,600 infections and only 900 deaths. There are about 275 active cases at the moment with the majority from overseas travellers which are in quarantine. No new community acquired infections have been reported today.

Stay safe,

Paul

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

I guess next time we want to know how to silver solder a copper boiler or screwcut a lefthand internal Acme thread, we should ask an epidemiologist. As the model engineers seem to know more about Covid-19 than the medical specialists, the reciprocal must obviously hold true.

[Bill PhinnParticipant @billphinn90025]

Posted by Hopper on 15/01/2021 00:04:49:

I guess next time we want to know how to silver solder a copper boiler or screwcut a lefthand internal Acme thread, we should ask an epidemiologist. As the model engineers seem to know more about Covid-19 than the medical specialists, the reciprocal must obviously hold true.

The day copper boilers and Acme threads suddenly pose a direct threat to the lives of engineers, epidemiologists and everyone else alike, I imagine people other than engineering specialists might find themselves easily forgiven for wanting to air their imperfect knowledge about what may end up killing them as effectively as it has already killed millions of others.

[pgk pgkParticipant @pgkpgk17461]

Were there a sudden and urgent need for milions of life-saving silver soldered copper boilers you can be certain that 20 expert engineers would argue as to the best approach to cutting, flanging and assembling them when things are critical. You can also be certain that whatever consistency they might arrive at would be screwed up by some poiliticians second cousin sourcing supplies of brass and german silver for them to be made from even before it was realised that there wasn't enough factory capacity – easily solved with a few emergency buildings despite not enough trained engineers to man them. Old engineers might be invited to come out of retirement but only if they first complete a dozen important courses such as radicalisation awareness, bridge building and road construction.

The problems are always the same – expert opinion is still only opinion and when it's a new variant of a problem then there is a learning curve even amongst the experts – let alone the political will to get on with it , the beaurocracy interfering with it and the need for policitians to look good while doing it.

You can also be fairly sure that after reading and watching media presentations a goodly number of non-engineers would wear successfully home-made secure copper boilers correctly while a larger number would hang any old bit of metal or even plastic around their necks because copper boilers really can't be that important.

pgk

[SteviegtrParticipant @steviegtr]

Now now guys keep it civil, or the thread will get deleted.

It is a sad time for all of us. We need to all stay safe & do as we are told. Even if we do not agree with the order..

Steve.

[not done it yetParticipant @notdoneityet]

Journalists sell their stories. It is their income. They sre not necessarily statisticians.

Early treatments were not proven and some failed.

Total numbers mean very little. Treatments have improved.

The number of ICU beds has been dramatically increased, so % of those beds occupied is fairly irrelevant compared to the initial lock-down. The number of NHS staff has not changed dramatically (apart from the loss of many dedicated servants within that cohort).

We are bombarded by fake news such as empty hospital corridors (which take no account of why those normally busier corridors are quieter – due to staff being moved to higher ‘security’ parts of the hospital and fewer other patients (non-covid) being treated.

The real problem would become very clear if the NHS became totally overwhelmed and patients were not treated….

Mistakes were made (in hindsight, of course). Herd immunity did not work (without huge numbers of deaths). Students thrown together was an insane mistake. Ravers and those having parties, without consideration for the rest of the population, are all covid-morons. People leaving high incidence of infection areas taking the virus with them. Shoppers shopping in other towns/cities when their local shops have been restricted. There are other mistakes and instances of rule breaking, no doubt.

As a couple, we have virtually been shielding for nearly a year now. It is not a good situation, but I realise that if one of us gets this virus, the likelihood of us both surviving is low – even now.

Perhaps not a large percentage, but the rules for reporting covid deaths and infections has been atrocious at times. Derek Draper (husband of Kate Garraway) would not, for instance, be included in the covid statistics, were he to succumb to the disease – very sad story but hopefully he will eventually recover (sufficiently) to rejoin his family.

I watch, and analyse, the statistics. Some are useful and pertinent, but a lot are sadly misrepresentative – in a greatly mis-leading way to those that do not understand the basis on which those figures have been derived.

Roll on the vaccine + 3 weeks. Things will/should get better for us after that. Only after the Oxford vaccine jab (there is an epi-pen issue involved) – until then we will coninue as we are, quietly isolating as much as possible.

Edited By not done it yet on 15/01/2021 08:02:07

[Ady1Participant @ady1]

The oxygen of the news industry is sensationalism, the MMR hoo-haa was an extreme example of the media driving the medical and political industries instead of the latter

The truth with most stories is somewhere in the middle

We got lucky over the last 60 years, all the old disease stuff got pretty much cured or brought under control, unlike the previous 60,000 years of human life we endured

But a superclean genetic environment of 6 billion warm blooded mammals who live cheek by jowl like battery chickens is always going to be a high risk disease environment

What we have going forwards now is probably the new normal

[not done it yetParticipant @notdoneityet]

What we have going forwards now is probably the new normal

I think that is the most likely scenario. Maybe a combined flu/covid jab might turn out to be the norm, when everything settles down?

[Adam MaraParticipant @adammara]

And spare a thought for our wonderful NHS workers, my grand daughter, a 20 year old trainee nurse, working 13 hour shifts in the local hospital. Part of her forthcoming training involves going to a hospital 23 miles away and doing a 14 hour shift!

Much as I try voiding hospital, last year I had an 'eye stroke' in March, and cancer in December, both times, even in these difficult times I recieved excellent service. My treatment for the double vision is ongoing, bigest problem was my driving licence being revoked, and dealing DVLA in attemp to get my licence back. The cancererous patch on my head was diagnosed and treated within a week, and was non agressive.

[old martParticipant @oldmart]

Most countries seem to be giving fairly accurate figures, even Russia recently re evaluated their figures upwards. Only the Chinese figures seem to be politically modified. There was a Chinese comment on the news saying that the Covid 19 did not start in Wuhan.

[MeunierParticipant @meunier]

Posted by not done it yet on 15/01/2021 10:21:38:

What we have going forwards now is probably the new normal

I think that is the most likely scenario. Maybe a combined flu/covid jab might turn out to be the norm, when everything settles down?

At 76 y.o I wish ! but unfortunately that combination would involve two sets of guesswork. With the 'flu virus ( another coronavirus ) the virologists already have to make an educated guess each year as to which mutations the coming winter's 'flu virus vaccine should address, most years their guess is well-targeted, other years not so much so.
To add estimated covid-19 mutations to those guesses would be a step too far, I feel.
All hope of a vaccine for the 'common' cold (you guessed it – another coronavirus ) has long been abandoned due to the rapid mutation character of that virus
DaveD

[not done it yetParticipant @notdoneityet]

Just mitigating the effects of succumbing to the virus.would be a definite positive. So far, the mutations do not appear to have altered the efficacy of the vaccines available, so fingers crossed that we might just need a boost to our immune systems…

I think I have only been severely affected by the flu virus just once in nearly twenty five years I’ve received the jab. Both at the same time would be acceptable as I’ve never yet had any nasty after-effects of the flu jab.

Thinking positive here!

[Raphael GolezParticipant @raphaelgolez]

Just finished another relentless week of fighting C-19. My ward has become a full C-19 ward. I handle 28 Covid -19 patients plus another 15 medical outliers. My ward had been full since mid December and the hospital is over flowing. My colleagues in the medical and healthcare profession are all exhausted and we also do get sick from COVID-19. All I can say is we are saving peoples lives as much as we can sadly the hard truth is we cannot save them all despite whatever we do. I don't hesitate to treat my patients and I face the enemy day in and day out and this is our reality. All I wish is this to be over soon as we are all exhausted. Be safe everyone.

Raphael

Edited By Raphael Golez on 15/01/2021 23:12:17

Edited By Raphael Golez on 15/01/2021 23:12:42

[Ady1Participant @ady1]

Sounds like they need a war type recruitment drive to get through this thing

Once a group of critters reaches a critical mass like in the dairy and poultry industries they have to dose them with antibiotics in their feed and water to reduce mass disease issues wiping out the stock

Nature doesn't like too many critters crammed into a fixed space

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

Posted by Ian B. on 15/01/2021 22:19:37:

It is a sad fact that over too many years honesty and integrity have become alien concepts to all in public service and public life. NHS managers are incapable of telling the truth. Yes from an experienced victim of the NHS Death Camp in Weston Road Stafford 1999 to 2001. Over 1250 deaths there 2004 to 2009. All unecessary and untimely.

Now we have a deputy chief medical officer who tried in the first lockdown to convince us that a certain committee had met and made decisions on February 30th. Think about it. Government advisors whose methods were suspect and unable to keep.their genitals in their trousers breaking the law in the first lockdown now he is back on the scene. Today three differing sets of figures and R values from.the experts. The top guy professor John Bell stating that if it wished the NHS could vaccinate us all in just 5 days. Managers clearly incompetent.

My blood ran cold in March whilst listening to the Chief Nurse deliver a speech I knew I had heard before. No 10.was obsessed at the time with eugenics ( in plain language population cleansing). The speech focussed on euthanasia. On checking the paraphrasing it matched the propaganda used to justify AKTION T4 in 1938. Guess where from.

Up to date I am also (02.10.20) one of the 29% false negatives that the pogrom is turning up and requiring hospitalisation on 06.10.20. Not much publicity given to that. Admission this very day that the vaccination programme will extend beyond 2 years.

If you do the work yourself and build in all the failures of every initiative, the contradictory stats and overlay the vaccination aspirations over those performance curves, using the same modelling techniques the government listens to then it will take 10 years and 4 months to vaccinate us all.

Already in our local community people in band 1 have been told in writing that they cannot expect vaccination earlier than 24th February. The year has not been stated. Where is the mechanism for all those who.will be allowed to fall through the net by inept and incompetent administrators? There is none. There is no appeal, no questions.

Ah well my original NHS number issued July 1948 like so many others as baby boomer is in one of the batches who Beveridge, Henry Willink and Bevan knew the NHS would eventually have to leave to die.

How many MPs an civil servants have declared share ownership in barbed and razor wire manufacturers and crematoria builders?

Back to the shed.

Edited By Ian B. on 15/01/2021 22:20:55

Edited By Ian B. on 15/01/2021 22:48:39

Staggering that anyone with the intelligence to use a lathe (presumably) would believe even half this cobblers.

No.10 Downing indulging in eugenics? The Chief Nurse copying a Nazi speech? 10 years to vaccinate the nation?

Posting this kind of fantasist misinformation is doing your country a great disservice and helps no-one in the current time of crisis. Stay in your shed.

[Ady1Participant @ady1]

No.10 Downing indulging in eugenics?

It's not really eugenics, it's the herd immunity approach, like we did in the Spanish flu of the 20s and the asian flu of the 50s

Everybody gets it, 5%+ don't make it, the rest of us carry on as usual

Boris was all for it back in march, then did a superfast u-turn

(The rest of it I have no idea about)

[not done it yetParticipant @notdoneityet]

Stay in your shed.

The best advice. Should have added ‘and leave any internet connection in the house’.

It will soon be time for a thread-lock, if this type of poster continues.

[vic francisParticipant @vicfrancis]

Ian b , you could well be right, ! One thing is certain the Govt figures for Covid are being manipulated; The care homes are not allowed to record deaths from Covid… My Mother’s home, about 1/4 died from the first wave…they are not able to record the true loss officially at the home the Manager told me… therefore The true death rate is much higher.The Nhs Senior spun doctors are happy resort to False information; speaking from personal experience. They also have a Professor who is head of “Complaints “ ! I was pleased when she was unable to give a answer on a serious point.Not often you find that on their own subject.

You would have to look at the past; and compare the figures …

What I find really shocking is how Ppe equipment ( newly formed) companies have close relations to Ministers… ie Neighbours ( Hancock as reported in The Press) or friends even ( Cabinet Minister)… such indirect profiteering is shocking…. it was also of a obvious low quality design. They are happy to expose those on the Front line Nursing staff with inadequate ppe.

That says it all…

keep safe

[jimmy bParticipant @jimmyb]

It would appear that some people really do think they know everything…..

As NDIY says, stay in your shed…..

Jim

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