Cognitive ability.

[Robin GrahamParticipant @robingraham42208]

I read a recent thread about clamping forces on this forum, and thought I could sort it easy-peasy – I earned my crust doing that sort of thing. But I kept on going round in circles*. I must be going senile I thought. Well, that's a real possibility so I had a go at the Montreal Cognitive Assessment:

I aced it! I'm clearly a stable genius. How would you do?

Apologies for potentially political content – just seems funny. And a bit tragic.

Robin.

*Im hoping the reason that I went round in circles is that the problem wasn't properly specified – too many unknown constraints!.

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[Robin GrahamParticipant @robingraham42208]

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

Well yes. Aceing that test shows you dont have dementia — yet. But I dont think you'd get into Mensa on the strength of it.

Just as an aside, it's also the same test that the "flamboyant" president of a certain leading Western democracy bragged about getting an exceptionally high score on , citing it as proof he is fit to lead the free world.

So I guess you're qualified for the job too.

[Mick B1Participant @mickb1]

Posted by Hopper on 21/07/2020 02:31:46:

Well yes. Aceing that test shows you dont have dementia — yet. But I dont think you'd get into Mensa on the strength of it.

Just as an aside, it's also the same test that the "flamboyant" president of a certain leading Western democracy bragged about getting an exceptionally high score on , citing it as proof he is fit to lead the free world.

So I guess you're qualified for the job too.

I'd think it shows you're fit to sign a will or sell your house, not be Emperor Of The Free World.

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

I'll bet there is a lot of people flunk out on the counting backwards from 100 by sevens.

Yes in reality it is a very preliminary test for things like Alzheimers or brain injury. If you get more than two or three wrong, your doctor will send you to a neurologist or other specialist for further investigation.

One person I know scored 15 out of 30. Turned out she had Alzheimers. But was still teaching school at the time!

[Dave HalfordParticipant @davehalford22513]

Posted by Hopper on 21/07/2020 09:15:40:

I'll bet there is a lot of people flunk out on the counting backwards from 100 by sevens.

Yes in reality it is a very preliminary test for things like Alzheimers or brain injury. If you get more than two or three wrong, your doctor will send you to a neurologist or other specialist for further investigation.

Including the one delivering the test as they need the answers

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

LOL. Well spotted indeed.

[BazyleParticipant @bazyle]

In the language fluency test which was the first word you thought of?

[MeunierParticipant @meunier]

Posted by Bazyle on 21/07/2020 13:30:34:

In the language fluency test which was the first word you thought of?

Faircut…does that count as memory retention or reading materials indicator?
DaveD

[Iain DownsParticipant @iaindowns78295]

After having spent some while not finding a nice cheap solution for controlling my motor drive, I've ended up doing it in arduino with an LCD.

Why do I raise this? Well, I've spent at LEAST 30 years earning my crust using C++, much of it with graphics of one form or another.

10 years on, I'm trying to write a simple program and I have to look up almost EVERY aspect of C++ syntax. In fairness to myself, the intervening decade has been spent with other languages (c# which is very like but not quite). However, things (mainly mathematical) which would have been trivial a few years back just don't go in any more.

I won't even try the test above – just in case.

Iain

[Nick Clarke 3Participant @nickclarke3]

Posted by Hopper on 21/07/2020 09:15:40:

I'll bet there is a lot of people flunk out on the counting backwards from 100 by sevens.

I can't help but be reminded of the old story :-

Teacher: Take 7 from a hundred as many times as you can. What are you left with?

Smart Alec Pupil : I get 93 every time!

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

I think the internet is going to break with the number of people posting that test across all forums…

Neil

[Anonymous]

Ho hum, took me a while to work out what it was all about. So presumably I'd have failed the test.

On t'other hand I have been a member of Mensa.

Andrew

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

Posted by Andrew Johnston on 21/07/2020 22:26:49:

Ho hum, took me a while to work out what it was all about. So presumably I'd have failed the test.

On t'other hand I have been a member of Mensa.

Andrew

Well the test is largely used to check cognitive decline in the elderly. It happens to all of us, even Mensa-ites.

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[Henry BrownParticipant @henrybrown95529]

I was at the Doc's having a blood test or similar and she enquired about my general well being and I mentioned that I felt I was getting forgetful. She suggested I come back for a test and to make an appointment with Reception on the way out.

I was halfway home when I remembered I'd forgotten to make the appointment…

Subsequently I sailed through the test so all's well at present, I think!

[Ady1Participant @ady1]

I'm currently try to sort out an issue between two very successful talented people whose total mensa score will easily be between 300 to 400

While their combined mensa score may well be around 350 their combined social skills score is about 35

Intelligence is very overrated when it's owned by a selfish fool

[Mick B1Participant @mickb1]

Posted by Ady1 on 22/07/2020 08:48:40:

…

Intelligence is very overrated when it's owned by a selfish fool

I think it's more a case of it having a helluva lot more dimensions than are routinely measured.

[JAParticipant @ja]

I am not sure whether I have "got" this thread. Edit – Rereading the above I failed.

I had to do such a test in my interview to become an apprentice. Two years later about thirty of us horrible youths were gathered by the company for a few days, given a very detail lecture on intelligence tests, their aims and problems, and then did two days of tests. For this we were given a free day and our results. Very so afterwards the company ceased using all such tests.

JA

 

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[HopperParticipant @hopper]

It should be noted that the above posted test is not an IQ test or any sort of intelligence test, despite what a certain president has implied.

It's a very very basic cognitive function test. It tests 8 different areas of brain function such as visual recognition in pictures of animals through to orientation in space and time, all of which use different parts of the brain. As a diagnostic tool used on the general public it is designed specifically to be applicable to even patients at the lower end of the IQ scale.

Getting a high score does not mean you have a high IQ. It simply means you are showing no sign of brain damage and resulting cognitive impairment. 

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[Raphael GolezParticipant @raphaelgolez]

Ah, The MOCA. Alway a very handy tool. I used several cognitive test when I use to run my memory clinic. Again as Hopper stated it is nothing to do with IQ. We use this test to assess cognitive decline. I preferred the MMSE as it is ideal in a out patient clinic to give us an overview of patients cognition. All this test has limitations, this is not a diagnostic tool for DEMENTIA but an aid to an overview of possible cognitive impairment or decline. It will direct you to consider memory issues from a clinical perspective. There are so many memory tools used and these are just a few. It all has its limitations. MMSE is also used to guide clinician in monitoring progression of cognitive decline and helps adjust treatment. The problem is a very high functioning individuals even with a diagnosed dementia which is worsening can still do a perfect score on this test. It also does not take into consideration the frontal lobe issues at which emotions plays a major role in cases of dementia. This is just to assess cognitive impairment.

 

Raphael

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[V8EngParticipant @v8eng]

My Wife says she would be guaranteed a fail on the 5th box down because it says “the subject must tap with his hand”.

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[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Well I would fail because I never know the date without looking…

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 22/07/2020 15:08:04:

Well I would fail because I never know the date without looking…

Agreed. Once upon a time it was on the front of the newspaper i read every morning so i would have known. Now in this digital post-paper era i have to look at my phone if someone asks me the date.

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