Aircraft General Discussion

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Posted by V8Eng on 04/07/2017 22:11:50:

Rabbits are delicious in pies, although apparently some people prefer stew.

So are horses, although some people prefer lasagne.

[V8EngParticipant @v8eng]

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 05/07/2017 08:53:19:

Posted by V8Eng on 04/07/2017 22:11:50:

Rabbits are delicious in pies, although apparently some people prefer stew.

So are horses, although some people prefer lasagne.

Ha Ha, yes I should have said some people prefer them in a rabbit stew.

I have eaten horse meat but found it a bit sweet so not really to my taste.

Flying bums, rabbits and horses, where will this thread go next?

 

Edited By V8Eng on 05/07/2017 10:21:41

[Clive HartlandParticipant @clivehartland94829]

A bit of an appraisal about game, nowadays it is hard to get permission to hunt and catch game. People walk the pathways and assume right of way and if you are seen with a gun and legally with permission they still report a man with a gun and in come the rozzers, by car and helicopter. So now a lot of shooters and game catchers are very wary of exposing themselves to the public with guns and accoutrements for hunting. The Raptor hunters seem only to be interesting and do not get hassled by the rozzers.

Further to this for years shooting syndicates have put game like Pheasants and Partridge and geese and ducks into the environment at their own cost. Suddenly the Tax man appears wanting to see the accounts ( A days Grouse shooting is about £500) so good money income. So slowly the syndicates folded and no birds were reared for release and now you seldom see a Pheasant or Partridge..It is all sad and a complete fiasco. Not withstanding Fox hunting is only just surviving. Hunt sabateurs putting a Foxes life ahead of a human.

Some of you have different ideas about this but if you have seen like I have 11 lambs blinded at birth by foxes grabbing the lambs head as it comes out and damaging the eyes you may understand. The sheep owner in tears as he had to put them down. He no longer keeps sheep.

I have rabbits alongside my beehives but I have no time to sit and wait, as they appear only at dawn and dusk. I have taken 2 so far but only as I was there.

I would like comments if you feel about this.

Clive

Edited By Clive Hartland on 05/07/2017 11:25:04

[mark costello 1Participant @markcostello1]

I live in Central Ohio, and do not hunt Deer. It is common to see up to 10 Deer in a herd in My front yard, up to 16 in the fall. Neighbor has seen 24 at one time. I am merciless on Ground Hogs and musk rats. It's unusual to have more Deer than Ground Hogs.

[Andrew TinsleyParticipant @andrewtinsley63637]

My goodness "you don't see many pheasants and partridges about these days"! They all seem to have come to live in Rutland. Had my car damaged by low flying pheasants on a number of occasions!

Andrew.

[Mike PooleParticipant @mikepoole82104]

You could dine like a king on roadkill round our way, not sure whether badgers eat very well but the red kites don't seem fussy. Pigeons and Pheasants seem to be at the end of the queue for brains, they just stand there and get run down, crows and magpies play chicken and hop to safety at the last minute, rarely see a dead one.

Mike

[MikeParticipant @mike89748]

Clive, you may be surprised (or possibly not) at how many kids think meat comes from the supermarket, and they can't think beyond that. I have shot and fished since I was 14, and I continue to be amazed at the number of people who say they are against the shooting sports, yet can't really say why. I don't mind criticism from anybody, as long as it's made from an informed viewpoint. For most of my life since the ago of 17 I have made my living by writing about shooting sports, so in certain quarters I am labelled as being cruel and violent. It's a funny old world…..

The critics aren't just the folks who roam pathways without making any contribution to the upkeep of the countryside..There are those who come charging down our Scottish rivers in canoes without paying a penny towards the upkeep of the river, and ruining many a day's fishing in the process, and those who wander through stalking country without paying a penny either. I could go on for ever if I chose…..

We seem to have come a long way from aircraft!

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by Mike on 05/07/2017 17:35:16:

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I continue to be amazed at the number of people who say they are against the shooting sports, yet can't really say why.

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Really? I would say the objections are fairly obvious. Accidental shootings; noise nuisance; careless, stupid, irresponsible and selfish owners; suicide; murder; lead poisoning the environment; criminality; terrorism; maimed animals; property damage; lost and stolen weapons in the wrong hands; emergency medical and policing costs; shooters with a mental illness; and – let's not forget – spree killings. What's not to like?

By the way, for all practical purposes meat does come from supermarkets. We would starve if we had to rely on hunter gathering to eat.

Just to stay on topic, how about the dimwits who shoot laser beams at aircraft?

Dave

Edited By SillyOldDuffer on 05/07/2017 18:28:00

[Clive HartlandParticipant @clivehartland94829]

I am not saying that there are no syndicates putting birds down, the larger ones can afford to pay the tax. It is the small ones on a farm, maybe 200 to 400 birds for about 6 to 10 shooters. £50 a year and you get say 10 shoots a year driven and about 5 walk ups. That was the type I was in. Quite enjoyable and made good friends

Pest control has suffered too, the Friday night Rat shoots have gone as the poultry farm closed down. Then, the farmer who does not want Foxes killed but over the fence , yes, the farmer does?Pigeons have now become a damn nuisance, wonder why they flock in their thousands, it is OSR (Oil seed rape) which they decimate. A Pigeon requires at least a half pound of green stuff in it's crop to survive a blow zero night roost. But now farmers are reluctant to give permissions because of cowboy shooters and damage by dogs on delicate crops.

Clive

[Mike PooleParticipant @mikepoole82104]

Had lunch in Windsor today, it struck me how quiet aircraft are now, it would have been a conversation stopper at one time when an aircraft passed over at the height they go over Windsor. Bring back Concorde and rattle those windows.

Mike

[MikeParticipant @mike89748]

Dave, I'm not going to argue with you because I respect your views on so many things, but I think you haven 't really done your homework on your reply. However, let's agree to disagree on this point,, which isn't really the subject for this form anyway. Truce, please!

[duncan webster 1Participant @duncanwebster1]

Posted by Mike on 05/07/2017 17:35:16:

Clive, you may be surprised (or possibly not) at how many kids think meat comes from the supermarket, and they can't think beyond that. I have shot and fished since I was 14, and I continue to be amazed at the number of people who say they are against the shooting sports, yet can't really say why. I don't mind criticism from anybody, as long as it's made from an informed viewpoint. For most of my life since the ago of 17 I have made my living by writing about shooting sports, so in certain quarters I am labelled as being cruel and violent. It's a funny old world…..

The critics aren't just the folks who roam pathways without making any contribution to the upkeep of the countryside..There are those who come charging down our Scottish rivers in canoes without paying a penny towards the upkeep of the river, and ruining many a day's fishing in the process, and those who wander through stalking country without paying a penny either. I could go on for ever if I chose…..

We seem to have come a long way from aircraft!

 

I used to spend a lot of my spare time walking the mountains of the Lake District, North Wales and the Peak District. I for one would have had no objection to coughing up say £5 per day as a contribution to maintaining paths, styles etc, but apart from one enterprising NWales farmer who had a car park with an honesty box I don't see how you would administer it. After all compared with the petrol to get there and the beer afterwards, £5 would not have been a lot.

Back to airoplanes now. I live under the uncontrolled airspace corridor between 2 airports, so I get lots of puddle jumpers flying over, as well as big jets going in to land. Admittedly, the jets are higher up and over to one side, but they are a lot quieter than the little ones. If I had a motor cycle which was that noisy I'd be a pariah, how do the aviators get away with it?

Edited By duncan webster on 10/07/2017 15:25:24

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Posted by duncan webster on 10/07/2017 15:24:56:

If I had a motor cycle which was that noisy I'd be a pariah, how do the aviators get away with it?

I live right on the edge of a small airfield, and the aeroplanes are mostly a lot quieter below 500 feet than the 'orrid motorbikes screaming away through the gear changes on the dual carriageway more than ½ a mile away.

Andrew

[martin perman 1Participant @martinperman1]

I agree with Andrew, its pretty busy over my house what with Old Warden Airfield, Duxford, Stansted, Luton, the local microlight airfield, Little Gransden, Cranfield and the Airlander residing in Cardington Airship Hangers but its nothing compared to Agostini and his mates trying to break the land speed record along the A1 to M1 Bedford bypass at 01:00 in the morning when the sods wake me up, between a quarter and half mile away from me.

Martin P

[Martin KyteParticipant @martinkyte99762]

Posted by Mike on 05/07/2017 17:35:16:

Clive, you may be surprised (or possibly not) at how many kids think meat comes from the supermarket, and they can't think beyond that.

Just thinking about this statement which gets rolled out often with an unspoken 'tut tut'.

Maybe it's just a function of the normal human condition. After all many of us in some sense think steel, brass and plastics come from the material suppliers. OK, cerebrally we understand it is not as simple as that but mostly we don't give a thought to how the stuff is made, where the raw materials are found, how they got there in the first place or, to push the argument, the origins of the universe.

Short horizons can often lead to odd assumptions, which would be revealed as daft when a wider perspective is appreciated. Life is just too short to find out about everything.

regards Martin

[Clive HartlandParticipant @clivehartland94829]

Curious minds will find facts and I am curious, I look for reasons and answers to things and have the ability to, 'Think'. This function seems to have been wiped out of our present day children who are not curious and only satisfied with presented media presentations and canned music. I often wonder why people spend vast sums of money and travel hundreds of miles to see some loud musician perform, pure adulation?

Unfortunately this crosses over in later life as they seek work, young man comes in looks at the instrument in pieces and walks out as he cannot comprehend the amount of hand and brain interface required. Another one knows all about football and is so boring it becomes impossible to work close to him, but his application to the work is very low. A 3 year apprenticeship and then he left and works on Southern rail on signalling because his Father got him a job! I fear for my life on Southern trains.

It is well known that children cannot relate food and stuff to the origin, as a child I would go around the farm and I saw all of rural/farm life. Pigs being born and bulls mating. Horses being shooed and watched the Blacksmith working metals and see how things are done in real life.

I also lived through the war, did not see my father for 7 years until it was over, endured rationing but knew where all the best apple trees were and could almost live off the land. Groped for flatfish in the river creeks, snared rabbits etc.

Now, they are cossetted and prevented from contact by H & S rules. They are taken for walks wearing bright yellow jackets because of 3rd party effect. ie Schools being sued etc. At 5 years of age I walked a mile to school and back 4 times a day and in country lanes I saw all the wild life and endured the seasonal weather and I learnt how to deal with life. I try hard to teach my Grand children about nature, naming trees and showing seeds and naming birds but they seem oblivious of all these things and will rather look on FB or some other strange interface item. Two at the moment are besotted with Love Island and their 'Cooings' over the contestants is sickening.

I do not know where this will lead as I am sure in a catastrophe they will not be able to provide for themselves or even know where to look for food etc. They would want to be herded and fed with hands out and provided with luxuries they now live with. I despair!

Clive,did I mention Bees, they will not come near them but want the honey !

Edited By Clive Hartland on 11/07/2017 09:01:58

Edited By Clive Hartland on 11/07/2017 09:02:38

[Martin KyteParticipant @martinkyte99762]

Absolutely Clive.

I was not saying that ignorance was a good thing but just that it was understandable.

I think you have described the problem well. I don't see it as a new problem either. Human beings have been learning and specialising since we stood upright. In one sense individual specialisation has allowed society as a whole to develop to a far higher degree than common ability and knowledge would allow, The down side is that we become increasingly dependent on specialists (apart from our own particular specialisation) and because everyone wants to have an opinion on most things we form opinions regarding things of which we are not fully aware. In a sense ignorance proliferates as total knowledge increases purely because we have got more to be ingorant about and beacause there is so much we don't "have" to know.

As you say the only hope is curiosity which leads to the broadest possible education for the widest group of people.

regards Martin

PS thanks for reducing the general ignorance level regarding Bees, at least in our little community.

[Ady1Participant @ady1]

Two at the moment are besotted with Love Island

I call it shaggle rock.

Using human muppets instead of foam ones

Looks like it's going to be the next 'big brother'

(and No. I don't watch any of these things)

Edited By Ady1 on 11/07/2017 09:39:35

[Ady1Participant @ady1]

If you want to see how modern folks really cope there's a program called Bear Grylls "The Island"

He dumps them on a pacific island for up to 6 weeks and you watch some of them slowly starving to death while others get it together and struggle by

At times it's pretty difficult to guess who's going to make it and who isn't

In the last one with oldies up to 60+ and youngsters the superfit rugby guy had to get rescued because he was literally wasting away, no body fat all muscle was a serious handicap to survival in a starvation situation

(end of diversion topic, sorry)

Edited By Ady1 on 11/07/2017 10:10:40

[Cornish JackParticipant @cornishjack]

Mods – any possibility of much of the above being moved to a relevant thread, please? It's undoubtedly jolly good, valid discussion but seems not to have much to do with aircraft, plank or fling wing!!

rgds

Bill

[Martin KyteParticipant @martinkyte99762]

Maybe Philosophical General Discussion ?

:0)

Martin

[Danny M2ZParticipant @dannym2z]

I went fishing in the Murray River yesterday and whilst trying to concentrate on the trout rises I heard a familiar radial engine howl.

The local Fw 190 was being given a workout above Lake Hume (there is a photograph earlier in this thread).

Loops, slow rolls and stall turns, a full repertoire of aerobatics. What was surprising was the (perceived) 'slowness' of the aircraft during the manoeuvers.

I also wondered why so many aircraft practice aerobatics over the lake (a Yak is a regular visitor) and have concluded that CASA prefer such activities away from populated areas.

I did not catch any fish btw but hooked a few including a spectacular leap by a large rainbow as it threw the hook which was ok by my standards as getting out of the workshop and a bit of exercise was the plan.

Catching a fish is a bonus.

* Danny M *

[martin perman 1Participant @martinperman1]

As far as I'm aware its illegal to carry out aerobatics over built up area's, in the uk, but over the years there have been aircraft practicing over the village. I've rung local airfields with descriptions, colour and where possible the registration code to be told that the aircraft doesn't live here, on the odd occasion the cynic in me has seen the plane disapear as if he has just been told to move after ive made the call.

Martin P

[Martin KyteParticipant @martinkyte99762]

The USAF at Mildenhall usually fly all their stuff round our village after they have been fixed to see if they work!

Martin

[SamsarandaParticipant @samsaranda]

Martin

Aerobatics should only be carried out over designated low flying areas, they used to be strictly enforced as I remember from my Air Force days, great treat as ground crew to go for a jolly and be indulged with really hair raising aerobatics. It seems that nowadays with cutbacks in manpower etc. standards have become very sloppy, a sign of the unfortunate detiorioration of society's values and standards. It's not until there is a horrendous accident such as Shoreham or a civil disaster as in the Grenfell tower that the establishment is woken up and refocuses on what the focus really should be.

Dave

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