After a bigger machine vice

[AjohnwParticipant @ajohnw51620]

This is an example of the other type I mentioned

**LINK**

Mscdirect aren't always more expensive. That is pretty variable on all sorts at times.

John

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[MWParticipant @mw27036]

I have a shipman and jones 8" Vice, I posted about it a long time ago, I picked it up for £40, the build quality I just couldn't pay for brand new. Came with an enormous welded handle and swivel table. Proper industrial quality. Nearly dwarfs the machine but the grip on big bits of metal is supremely better to handle the vibration.

Other than that I have a couple of 4" vices like posted above in the OP post, i'm satisfied with the quality and they are cheap enough to have a couple of for long pieces.

I also have a tiny sherline "tool maker" style vice.

I also have a big drill press vice but I've only used it for a bit of wood once and that was it.

Michael W

Edited By Michael-w on 21/01/2017 12:02:47

[Tony MarshallParticipant @tonymarshall12301]

Addendum to previous post – the old (smaller) vice is a Warco 5478. The pic below shows the new vice in its final resting place. Swivel base removed – just too bulky. As an added bonus the mounting points suit the table slot spacing!

Good luck,

Tony

[MWParticipant @mw27036]

Posted by Tony Marshall on 21/01/2017 12:13:07:

Addendum to previous post – the old (smaller) vice is a Warco 5478. The pic below shows the new vice in its final resting place. Swivel base removed – just too bulky. As an added bonus the mounting points suit the table slot spacing!

Good luck,

Tony

I never use the swivel function on mine either! very nicely done too. Looks right at home on that Mill.

Michael W

[MuzzerParticipant @muzzer]

Interesting that he tried to patent it (in the UK), given how ubiquitous machine vises are, with every flavour available under the sun. The claim was basically for a vise with a movable (handle) jaw and a fixed jaw that could be positioned in steps. However, the patent was "APPLICATION WITHDRAWN, TAKEN TO BE WITHDRAWN OR REFUSED ** AFTER PUBLICATION UNDER SECTION 16(1)", so possibly not such a fruitful activity in the end.

Nice drawings if you fancy having a go at making one yourself. Main drawback from my POV is the lack of "angle lock" type feature to prevent jaw lift.

Murray

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Ajohnw on 21/01/2017 10:53:36:

It's possible to buy ones that come in 2 halves that are fastened down in the T slots on the table. I've been tempted several times but good ones are usually rather expensive.

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No one here seems to appreciate their usefulness, John

**LINK**

http://www.model-engineer.co.uk/forums/postings.asp?th=116498&p=1

When I offered mine, all we got was a discussion about Baked Beans.

MichaelG.

[AjohnwParticipant @ajohnw51620]

I've done lots of bits and pieces using a record drill vice. The small one that was popular for use on Myford vertical slides. They really need attention to the alignment of the jaws especially the fixed one but hold well enough.

It was permanently fastened to the table most of the time. While nosing around on ebay I saw one of these used and at a decent price.

**LINK**

Crazy design, just look how thick the fixed jaw is compared with the cast iron behind it but I think it will be fine for light milling and more flexible use wise than the record one. Guess they did it like this due to the strength of the base. It wouldn't be suitable for hefty cuts but is well made.

I also have a conventional 4" milling vice. It would probably be perfectly happy on a 5hp geared milling machine. That in my view limits it's opening capacity.

The worst type I have ever seen but it could be a bad example is the small ones that tilt with a metal strap on the side to hold it at a set angle. It came with my dore westbury and if the person who sold that use a decent vice on it and didn't end mill with a blunt slot drill he may have been a lot happier with the machine.

If I needed to do bigger stuff I would probably add one of the 2 piece ones to my kit hoping it has removable jaws. as that's not a bad idea on any machine vice.

John

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[Anonymous]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 21/01/2017 13:32:41:

When I offered mine, all we got was a discussion about Baked Beans.

No baked beans here, they contain way too much salt!

Commercial two part vices are fairly cheap, although I bought mine secondhand. Actually I bought two for £60 and sold one set for £30. I've used mine once:

A disadvantage of the commercial ones is that you need a large mill; it only just fitted on the Bridgeport. Another, more serious issue, is that if you overtighten you end up distorting the mill table in bending.

Andrew

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Posted by petro1head on 20/01/2017 23:45:37:

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 20/01/2017 20:14:42:

5" is big… there's one in China with 'precision gowned jaws' and it weighs 46 lbs… important to dress well in the workshop!

Eh???

I think they meant 'ground'.

Neil

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by daveb on 21/01/2017 11:34:24:

Michael, I have the vise described in the patent, nicely made, it has the capacity of a much bigger vise but can be a bit fiddly, the nut is fixed just past centre travel of the screw so you have to either reposition the fixed jaw or use a block to allow clamping of smaller items, I believe this is now discontinued.

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That's interesting, Dave … Thanks

… I found the patent by using the reference in Warco's advert, as mentioned by 'balljoint'

http://www.warco.co.uk/machine-vices-vice-jaws/109-dh-1-precision-vice.html

MichaelG.

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[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Andrew Johnston on 21/01/2017 13:47:52:

A disadvantage of the commercial ones is that you need a large mill; it only just fitted on the Bridgeport. Another, more serious issue, is that if you overtighten you end up distorting the mill table in bending.

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Very good points, Andrew

Mine are actually a pair of identical 'book-ends' with a rather nice angled slide arangement … but yes, the caveats still apply.

I have decided they have 'potential' as the basis for special machines or fixtures, so I'm keeping them.

MichaelG.

[AjohnwParticipant @ajohnw51620]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 21/01/2017 14:03:38:

Posted by Andrew Johnston on 21/01/2017 13:47:52:

A disadvantage of the commercial ones is that you need a large mill; it only just fitted on the Bridgeport. Another, more serious issue, is that if you overtighten you end up distorting the mill table in bending.

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Very good points, Andrew

Mine are actually a pair of identical 'book-ends' with a rather nice angled slide arangement … but yes, the caveats still apply.

I have decided they have 'potential' as the basis for special machines or fixtures, so I'm keeping them.

MichaelG.

A DW has a much shorter table length and in my case a bit over 40mm of cast iron running down the side of the table. It isn't the usual DW table. 2 T slots one along each side. Good for some things but vice mounting may need a plate.

The one I linked to is the cheap and cheerful version. Msc did stock another that was way more expensive. They mention that it grips well. Maybe it does. Only 16mm of movement but could be mounted on something else ideally with the screw holes directly over the T slots.

As my self imposed tool bonus hasn't been spent for some time due to workshop problems I've just ordered one. I allow a certain amount each month. I suspect one end will more or less remain clamped to the table.

I noticed that msc also do a 200mm version of the other vice mentioned.

John

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[petro1headParticipant @petro1head]

I decided to buy the ARC Precision Tool Vices Type 2, 90mm http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Workholding/Machine-Vices/Precision-Tool-Vices-Type-2

Many thanks for all the help

Edited By petro1head on 21/01/2017 16:43:01

[Mike PooleParticipant @mikepoole82104]

Posted by petro1head on 21/01/2017 11:46:28:

Posted by Gary Wooding on 21/01/2017 07:36:22:

Posted by Graeme W on 20/01/2017 20:46:09:

+1 for the DH1 from Warco, I've had one for several years now and it is the one I use more than any other (and I have several!) The capacity of this vice is far greater than it's physical footprint would suggest.

Graeme,

I find Warco's dimensions of this vice somewhat confusing, could you tell me what dimensions A, B, and C are in the photo please?

Looking at the Warco site my interpretation is:

A = 87.5mm B = 175mm and C = good question

I have emailed Warco for clarification or maybe someone on here who has one could confirm the dimension please

Edited By petro1head on 21/01/2017 11:54:06

Edited By petro1head on 21/01/2017 12:01:17

C=125mm on mine

[Colin HarwoodParticipant @balljoint]

On mine, c=178mm, because the rear jaw extends out beyond the body of the vice.

You can actually hold an object that is longer than the vice itself.

[Mike PooleParticipant @mikepoole82104]

As shown both of the end jaws are on the moving slide so are fixed at 125mm, but if you put the fixed jaw at the end then the moving jaw will extend beyond the base and hold an item greater than the length B.

Mike

[Gray62Participant @gray62]

That image of the DH-1 vice is in a 'non normal' configuration. I've never mounted a jaw on both ends of the moving slide at the same time, As Mike has stated, the vice is capable of holding a workpiece that is slightly larger than the vice itself. As with Balljoint, mine measures 178mm between the jaws. It's easy enough to make additional clamping aids and I have a coupe of extension sets that will allow me to hold a part that is around 350mm diameter. All in all this is a very versatile vice.

Your A and B measurements are similar to mine (only a quick check with a rule as it''s too damn cold to be out in the workshop.

[Gray62Participant @gray62]

That image of the DH-1 vice is in a 'non normal' configuration. I've never mounted a jaw on both ends of the moving slide at the same time, As Mike has stated, the vice is capable of holding a workpiece that is slightly larger than the vice itself. As with Balljoint, mine measures 178mm between the jaws. It's easy enough to make additional clamping aids and I have a coupe of extension sets that will allow me to hold a part that is around 350mm diameter. All in all this is a very versatile vice.

Your A and B measurements are similar to mine (only a quick check with a rule as it''s too damn cold to be out in the workshop.

[petro1headParticipant @petro1head]

Posted by Russell Eberhardt on 21/01/2017 11:11:34:

Posted by petro1head on 21/01/2017 10:45:42:I am starting to come round to the idea of one of these. The main benefit is its size. **LINK** . How would I clamp them down?

Use a couple of simple purpose made clamps as shown in my photo above.

Russell

Any chance you can give the dimensions of the clamp you use please

[petro1headParticipant @petro1head]

I never got round to using the vice as I sold the mill so have put it up for sale in the classified

[Martin King 2Participant @martinking2]

6" ABWOOD ?

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