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  • #430631
    Charles Jarman
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      @charlesjarman52751

      hi all,

      I’ve just registered here as a newbie as it’s been decades since I last done any lathe work.

      my hobby interest is in aircraft, models, paragliding, that sort of thing. Well I’ve bought my self a Emco Unimat SL, as I don’t want to get too involved, size matters!

      So my first question will be Unimat related, and that is where can I get spares from?

      Please don’t mention EBay, I’ve scoured the whole world with them.

      There are particular parts that I do need as I’m refurbishing the lathe and a few parts are missing, the main one being the tool post t nut and bolt.

      The other must have is a M12 x 1mm nut to go on the end of the pulley.

      If anyone can give me a pointer as where I can obtain these I will be truly grateful.

      chaz

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      #9874
      Charles Jarman
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        @charlesjarman52751
        #430654
        Chris Evans 6
        Participant
          @chrisevans6

          Not able to help with Unimat information but most industrial fastener suppliers should supply the nut.

          #430655
          JasonB
          Moderator
            @jasonb

            I think the SL takes the same size tee nuts as the Unimat 3 & 4 which are not too hard to find, either genuine Emco or imported for the bolt just get an M6 socket head screw of the right length.

            The M12 x 1 nut is not the usual coarse thread but they are quite common so should not be difficult to get assuming it id a right hand thread on that end of the spindle

             

            Edited By JasonB on 27/09/2019 07:39:09

            #430661
            HOWARDT
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              @howardt

              Bearing locknut is M12x1, if that helps.

              #430662
              Charles Jarman
              Participant
                @charlesjarman52751

                I’m not familiar with the other models so I’ll look those up, cheers Jason.

                #430663
                Charles Jarman
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                  @charlesjarman52751
                  Posted by HOWARDT on 27/09/2019 08:19:11:

                  Bearing locknut is M12x1, if that helps.

                  morning Howard, yes that’s the nut size I quoted, actually all the thread sizes are the same on this lathe.

                  chaz

                  #430664
                  Former Member
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                    @formermember19781

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                    #430666
                    Charles Jarman
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                      @charlesjarman52751

                      Morning Bill, I have all the dimensions, I’ve found a suitable t nut with a 6mm thread for the tool post, just a case of finding the spindle end nut, then I can start to learn how to use the SL, neat little machine…first steps.

                      my first mistake, I bought five carbide tip cutting tools, and they are 2mm too high for dead center, will now purchase the 6mm square tool, I can add shims if necessary but cannot remove the 2mm as 4mm will become too weak imho.

                      chaz

                      #430669
                      JasonB
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                        @jasonb

                        Nuts and nuts but do check it is a RH before ordering.

                        #430670
                        Charles Jarman
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                          @charlesjarman52751
                          Posted by JasonB on 27/09/2019 08:58:55:

                          Nuts and nuts but do check it is a RH before ordering.

                          excellent! Many thanks for that link Jason, now sorted.

                          chaz

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                          Former Member
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                            @formermember19781

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                            #430677
                            Charles Jarman
                            Participant
                              @charlesjarman52751

                              The last time I used a lathe was back in school over 45 years ago….wow! That long.

                              what I need now is a good book to read, can anyone suggest something ? Preferably mini lathe orientated, there are parts of the lathe process that were not covered at school, oh how I miss those days.

                              chaz

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                              Former Member
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                                @formermember19781

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                                #430685
                                Charles Jarman
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                                  @charlesjarman52751

                                  Thanks Bill.

                                  chaz

                                  #430691
                                  Hollowpoint
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                                    @hollowpoint

                                    Look for the "workshop practice series" books, there is loads of them, about 50! Not expensive either.

                                    #430692
                                    Brian G
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                                      @briang

                                      Have you joined the Unimat SL group on Yahoo yet Charles? It is a friendly and active group and there is lots of handy stuff (including books, manuals and parts lists) in the files section. You can find it here. As far as spares are concerned, you can get everything at Toms Tool Store, although to be honest I haven't used them myself as I'm too tight to pay shipping from the US.

                                      Brian

                                      #430693
                                      Greensands
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                                        @greensands

                                        IMHO you cannot better – "The Amateurs’ Lathe" by L H Sparey, admittedly written around the Myford Series 7 but none the less an excellent all round guide to the use of the lathe.

                                        #430695
                                        Farmboy
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                                          @farmboy

                                          My admittedly limited experience with a Unimat SL taught me that one of the most important things was to use really sharp HSS tools. I never tried carbide but my subsequent experience would suggest it is not really rigid or powerful enough to make good use of them, although someone will probably come along who uses them all the time.

                                          It was a sweet little lathe and I still have some regrets about selling mine a few years ago but it was far too small for some of the jobs I wanted to do.

                                          #430697
                                          Charles Jarman
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                                            @charlesjarman52751
                                            Posted by Farmboy on 27/09/2019 10:25:21:

                                            My admittedly limited experience with a Unimat SL taught me that one of the most important things was to use really sharp HSS tools. I never tried carbide but my subsequent experience would suggest it is not really rigid or powerful enough to make good use of them, although someone will probably come along who uses them all the time.

                                            It was a sweet little lathe and I still have some regrets about selling mine a few years ago but it was far too small for some of the jobs I wanted to do.

                                            I came across a YouTube on the subject of carbide versus hss and he gave a good account on both types, the problem I’ve since found with this mini lathe is that 6mm carbides tips stand proud by 2mm above dead center, my mistake, now I have sourced 6mm hss, a cheap set admittedly, but something to start and practice with, it’s a lovely little lathe, well made too.

                                            i am after the long handle that turns the spindle back and forth, certainly will need it if I convert the lathe for milling, if anyone has one.

                                            chaz

                                            #430705
                                            Anonymous
                                              Posted by Charles Jarman on 27/09/2019 10:36:15:

                                              ….a cheap set admittedly, but something to start and practice with………..

                                              That's false economy. Small lathes, and the inexperienced, need all the help they can get. Using cheap cutting tools often just leads to frustration. As does the use of scrap material of unknown composition. It's not uncommon for threads to appear on the forum along the lines of difficulties with cutting and getting a good finish. Many of the probems are solved by changing to known material and quality cutting tools.

                                              Andrew

                                              #430711
                                              Charles Jarman
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                                                @charlesjarman52751

                                                Yes Andrew, I quite understand that, hence looking on you tube at those exact materials.

                                                Yes they’re cheap, so no love lost if they break or do not come up to expectations, but that’ll be part of my learning process, in understanding and being to evaluate the good and the bad.

                                                regarding materials, my job involves dealing with all sorts of waste including metals, so not only can I source free materials, but get an education in where they are used.

                                                chaz

                                                #430716
                                                Clive Foster
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                                                  @clivefoster55965

                                                  +1 for what Andrew says about known material and sharp tools.

                                                  Lot to be said for splashing out on some delrin, which cuts easily and is very well behaved, and proper free cutting mild steel to start with. I've had a few bits of material that were far harder to cut than they should have been despite being ordered under a proper type number from reputable suppliers.

                                                  For sharp tooling I'd not worry too much about "book" profiles and angles. These are fundamentally for larger machines taking heavier cuts in industrial practice. You will, initially at least, be working with cuts of less than 50 thou / 1 mm so the actual dimensional difference between book profiles and "really easy to keep sharp" will be minimal.

                                                  Hollow ground profiles are much easier to keep sharp than flat ones but they are fundamentally weaker and don't stand up to industrial loads. Which matters not at all to a Unimat user.

                                                  I'd obtain a half decent 6" or, better, 8" bench grinder and set the toolrest level with or just above wheel centre line. Generally anything above the stupidly cheap machines do a very acceptable job of actually grinding. Weak points are toolrests, invariably flimsy and hard to set just so, and wheel dressing. Can be coped with initially and fixed at leisure.

                                                  Make your basic tool from a piece of square HSS of appropriate size. Grind about 3/8 – 1/2" of the long, leading edge side, on the periphery of the wheel taking just enough off to give a hollow grind and sharp edge on top. Keep the grind parallel to the body. Now do the same on the front end of the tool with the edge leaning back about 10 or 15° to give clearance. Finish off by swinging it round to give a small radius on the sharp tip. A mm or so should do. Make another the opposite hand so one cuts moving along the bed and the other cuts going across. I say job done. Other folk say put a similar hollow on the top which does give a better shape but whether it makes any real difference at sub mm cuts I doubt.

                                                  If you have a slipstone or diamond hone rubbing it across the tool will make it even sharper. The hollow grind supports the slip or hone at the to and bottom so its easy to keep it properly aligned. With a flat grind its very easy to rock the slip or hone leaving a nice polish but taking off the very sharp edge you are trying to achieve. Only takes a few bad strokes to spoil things. Needs a microscope to see the damage so you will never notice the error. Just be monumentally frustrated wondering why your newly sharpened tool isn't cutting like it ought to.

                                                  After the first sharpen and hone work on the front edge and point radius only. Unlikely to need proper re-sharpening until you have honed a flat 1/2 a mm to a mm below the cutting edge.

                                                  There are a lot of ways of producing a good cutting tool. Most folk have their preferences and have sorted methods which work for them with the equipment they have and suit the jobs they do. Plenty to investigate once you get the hang of things. For beginners easy to make, easy to keep sharp and works pretty well will do.

                                                  Clive

                                                  Edited By Clive Foster on 27/09/2019 12:19:57

                                                  #430717
                                                  Charles Jarman
                                                  Participant
                                                    @charlesjarman52751

                                                    Thanks Clive very informative. As I’ve mentioned, I do look on YouTube for working practices, the first being on tool sharpening and forming, looking at the differences between carbide and hss. Knowing what tools to have in using my SL will come, eventually.

                                                    A lot of what I might make will be with Aluminium and certain plastics that I can use in my RC aircraft hobby, no real challenges for me or the SL.

                                                    chaz

                                                    #430720
                                                    JasonB
                                                    Moderator
                                                      @jasonb

                                                      Your cheap holders will likely do for now but worth getting a few decent inserts and for aluminium, plastics and other non ferrous I would suggest the ones made for aluminium which will have a code **GT depending on the shape of insert you have chosen.

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