Hello, I have no idea what I am doing

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    Steam Nick
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      @steamnick

      Hello all, I have no idea where to begin my story, this is my third attempt at writing this introduction in a hope to make it concise, though I fear it wont be by the end. So thankyou to anyone who makes it to the end and can give me any advice.

      When I was 15 I joined my local model engineers club, I have always been interested in steam locomotives and was invited along by one of the members. At the time I couldn't afford my own locomotive or even any real workshop tools. I worked at the club on running days, fetching coal and water for loco's, and cups of tea for the drivers (I am well aware that tea is the most important thing to make these models move). After being a member for a few months I was rewarded with a drive of the club super simplex. It was at this moment I was hooked for life.

      I was a member for the next few years until I had to move away for university, driving various loco's for the public once I was of age to obtain insurance which at the time was 16. I picked up a thing or two in this time, but I never considered myself an engineer, just a driver. After going to university, I didn't have much to do with model engineering due to time and money constraints.

      Fast forward to a few years ago, I was lucky enough to be able to buy myself a 7.25" Romulus. But as an engineering novice I haven't been able to maintain it as I would like and it is currently out of ticket and in need of some minor repairs.

      I was offered a lathe, milling machine, and a lot of accessories for a very reasonable price, and these currently sit virtually unused in the garage as I have no proper idea where to start. The last thing I want to do is strip the locomotive down and end up with it lying in bits forever.

      In the last year or so I haven't had the spare cash to really do anything about it, but I now find myself in a position to start getting things together again.

      The first problem is that the milling machine was stripped down into 3 large chunks in order to move it and it's a rather large machine so I can't put it back together easily. The lathe was moved by professionals in one large lump and has been converted to 240v so is ready to plug in and go.

      The locomotive was blown down after its last use and the blowdown valve left open to allow it to drain. I was also advised to leave all the taps half open to stop them seizing, which I have done, and the cylinders were filled with a hefty dose of oil before it was stored.

      Initially the loco was stored in a shed, which turned out to have a leaking roof, and it has a certain amount of surface rust on the platework. On discovery of the leaking roof I then moved it into the garage next to the heating boiler where it has been ever since.

      The loco hasn't seized up and still runs fairly freely when pushed along the 8' length of track it is sat on. But the regulator has seized solid despite being left half open as advised. It is also in need of a new set of drain cocks as one was knocked [sheared] off, despite having a protective bar.

      So that's where things stand at the moment.

      What I would like to do is get the lathe and mill up and running properly, get the locomotive back in working order, and move on to building my own locomotive. But as you can probably tell by now I don't really know what I am doing or where to start. Lots of ambition, limited talent.

      So any advice, tips, or encouragement are truly welcome.

      #8543
      Steam Nick
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        @steamnick

        A complete novice needs some advice

        #282081
        Alan Waddington 2
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          @alanwaddington2

          Might be useful to add your location Nick, someone local may be able to offer assistance.

          #282085
          bricky
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            @bricky

            Hi Nick

            If there is a model engineering club local to you try that,if not the book by LH Sparey on lathe work is a must have book for a beginner also the workshop series are full of information on the use of the lathe and mill.Keep asking questions on this forum the help received is always helpful and the experianced workers are always ready to help.Also mistakes are made by us all ,throw it in the bin and learn from it we have all been there.

            Frank

            #282087
            Paul Lousick
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              @paullousick59116

              Hi Nick,

              Model steam engines and engineering is a long learning curve but lots of fun. My best advice is to join a model club in your area where you will find others like yourself and many experienced operators who would be willing to share their knowledge and experience. The club shoiuld also have inspectors who could certify your boiler. You should also be coverred by liability insurance if you operate your loco in a public area and club insurance is much less expensive than commercial insurance.

              Paul.

              #282088
              David George 1
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                @davidgeorge1

                Hi Nick

                There are some amazing groups of people around who are available to help and give other people support as I have recently retired and and inherited a lathe. I was amazed to find localy people with workshops in theIr gardens and I have been introduced to a group in Chesterfield with steam engine and track that I never new about evan though I passed it on the way to work daily. On Monday I am going to help someone I met to fit a DRO as I did such things when I worked it keeps me busy in retirement. If you let like minded people no where your locality is I'm sure they will let you know where help is to be had.

                David

                Edited By David George 1 on 03/02/2017 08:46:57

                #282089
                Ady1
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                  @ady1

                  Put your general location into your user profile so interested parties know where you're at

                  #282094
                  Chris Evans 6
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                    @chrisevans6

                    Welcome along, someone may be within easy distance to help.

                    #282102
                    Neil Wyatt
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                      @neilwyatt

                      Hello Nick,

                      Welcome to the forum.

                      You won't get any help without asking, it sounds like you're worried about doing the wrong thing or making it worse – just make sure you don't force things and take it one step at a time.

                      It might be worth making a few relatively simple beginner's projects using the machines to get some experience.

                      If you can post some pictures of the regulator and drain cock we might be able to suggest where to start.

                      You may be able to unscrew the broken stub of the drain cock by jamming the square tang of a file into it and unscrewing.

                      If anyone has drawings/advice on how the romulus regulator is fitted that would help as well.

                      Neil

                      #282103
                      Allan B
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                        @allanb

                        Hi Nick

                        Welcome, as others have said have a look for a local club, there is lots of advantages finding local people into the same thing as you, and there maybe some help available to rebuild your mill.

                        As for your skills, try looking at a local college to see if they do an evening engineering course, even if it’s just a community course without a qualification, but you get the help and support to learn, but in my experience the best way to learn is to read/watch as much as possible, YouTube is a very underestimated learning resource, then get out and play with the lathe and mill, as long as you follow some basic health and safety rules (safety glasses, guards, not leaving chuck key in ect) the worst you will do is ruin a bit if steel or a tool, just remember that lots of small cuts are better than one big cut, less stress on the machine and tooling, and less chance of things going flying 😀

                        Other than that have fun 😀

                        Allan

                        #282123
                        Ian S C
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                          @iansc

                          Nick, lots of photos, not just for us, but for your self of both the loco, and the milling machine, so that as you pull things apart, and put them together you will have some idea as how it looked before you started, and if posted here someone might be able to tell if you are right or wrong.

                          Ian S C

                          #282126
                          richardandtracy
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                            @richardandtracy

                            Welcome.

                            When I saw the title of the thread, I thought 'I resemble that statement'. Not just with model engineering, either, more as a whole life experience.

                            Regards,

                            Richard.

                            #282135
                            Russell Eberhardt
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                              @russelleberhardt48058

                              You'll find a list of model engineering clubs here. Failing that a good book such as Harold Hall's "Lathework – A Complete Course" should get you started. As far as the mill is concerned you are likely to need an engine crane to put it back together but as has already been said post lots of pictures here.

                              What are the makes and models of your machines?

                              Russell.

                              #282304
                              Hopper
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                                @hopper

                                Posted by Steam Nick on 03/02/2017 00:30:25:..

                                …The last thing I want to do is strip the locomotive down and end up with it lying in bits forever. …

                                Great words of wisdom right there. Far better to "massage" the loco up into shape, one small job at a time.

                                It sounds like most of what needs doing is repairing various corrosion issues from surface rust to stuck valves. It may be you can get the old girl up and running without the need for extensive lathe work, and probably not any milling work at all?

                                It might be best to quickly set your complete lathe up where you can use it, roughly put the pieces of the mill back together for safe keeping, join the local model engineers club, and under their guidance perhaps start working through the myriad small jobs to get the loco ticketed and back on the rails.

                                #282431
                                Steve Addy
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                                  @steveaddy35670

                                  In agreement with everyone on this. Welcome to the hobby, there really is nothing like it. You need a local model engineer to take you under his wing. Good luck with everything.

                                  Steve

                                  #282461
                                  not done it yet
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                                    @notdoneityet

                                    First priority is safety.

                                    Books, videos, clubs, fora, etc are all good, but do things safely! Think why the explisive experts are those that make the final detonation connectons at the end of the wires remote from the explosives, or light the longesf fuses first!

                                    If you have no idea, don't do it. Find out how to do it safely first.

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