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    BW
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      @bw

      Am puzzled.

      What are the benefits of hss inserts over grinding hss toolblanks ?

      Are the inserts more useful or better than grinding your own hss toolbits. Surely they would be far more expensive ?

      Bill

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      BW
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        #253063
        Neil Wyatt
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          @neilwyatt

          Err … you get a use for your carbide tip holders?

          Neil

          #253068
          Michael Gilligan
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            @michaelgilligan61133

            Bill,

            I would assume that the advantages are:

            1. Someone else has already ground the profile … Hopefully accurately.
            2. When it goes blunt you can just replace it without losing tool-sellings.
            3. They make use of that 'insert' toolholder that you shouldn't have bought.

            Beyond that, I can't see any real benefit.

            MichaelG.

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            Neil beat me to it.

            Edited By Michael Gilligan on 30/08/2016 15:24:58

            #253070
            Ajohnw
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              @ajohnw51620

              When brazed tip hss tools were about they usually used a better grade of hss than many tool bits have. The finish was also pretty high. These tips could be much the same.

              Some people use carbide tips because they don't want to grind up tools, even not having something to grind them with. The HSS ones might suite these people as well.

              John

              #253073
              JasonB
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                @jasonb

                Saves having to buy a grinder

                Saves having to learn how to use said grinder

                On some of the narrow parting/grooving inserts its a lot easier than grinding your own to exact widths

                #253075
                BW
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                  @bw

                  Thanks. All tidied up now. Was concerned there was a benefit that I wasnt capable of understanding yet.

                  #253076
                  Vic
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                    @vic

                    One big advantage (for industry) of insert tooling is that it's indexable. HSS inserts are perceived to be better for some materials whilst still being indexable. What most of us on here do with insert tooling or HSS doesn't count as we're only playing.

                    #253083
                    Raymond Anderson
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                      @raymondanderson34407

                      HSS [ M42 ] Toolblanks are still used a lot in industries that deal with any of the HRSA's [inconel et al ] They are better than carbide for heavily interrupted cuts on the above materials. I can't comment on the HSS inserts from Warner as I have never used them, the ones I have used [ very rarely ] are by ARNO WERKZEUGE

                      I don't really think that HSS inserts are any better than carbide [ especially the sharper types ]. The early days of Carbide when the inserts were more or less all NEGATIVE geometry that needed rigid machines with high power are gone. We now have a multitude of sharp POSITIVE geometries to suit the needs. The pic of a box of inserts that I put in another post were very ,very spendy even with a good discount , I think I have only ever used one 2 or 3 times. It was just expensive extravagance [and folly ] on my part . They [ HSS Inserts ] don't do anything that carbide won't do.in the materials ect that most folks use on this forum.

                      #253093
                      Tony Pratt 1
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                        Posted by JasonB on 30/08/2016 15:41:45:

                        Saves having to buy a grinder

                        Saves having to learn how to use said grinder

                        On some of the narrow parting/grooving inserts its a lot easier than grinding your own to exact widths

                        To be honest is there anyone on here who has a off hand grinder who thinks they can do without it? By the way I don't regard an angle grinder as a suitable alternative.

                        Tony

                        #253096
                        NJH
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                          @njh

                          I agree Tony – even if I got rid of the rest of my workshop I think I would still need a grinder – however it would not be for model engineering!

                          Norman

                          #253097
                          Ajohnw
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                            Posted by Tony Pratt 1 on 30/08/2016 17:16:44:

                            Posted by JasonB on 30/08/2016 15:41:45:

                            Saves having to buy a grinder

                            Saves having to learn how to use said grinder

                            On some of the narrow parting/grooving inserts its a lot easier than grinding your own to exact widths

                            To be honest is there anyone on here who has a off hand grinder who thinks they can do without it? By the way I don't regard an angle grinder as a suitable alternative.

                            Tony

                            As I mentioned some people do not want to grind tools. No matter how useful some form of grinder might be.

                            John

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                            Enough!
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                              @enough
                              Posted by JasonB on 30/08/2016 15:41:45:

                              Saves having to buy a grinder
                              Saves having to learn how to use said grinder

                              Saves getting grinding dust over everything in sight and up your nose.

                              #253102
                              Ajohnw
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                                @ajohnw51620

                                devil Buying an off hand grinder these days may involve fixing it down with 2" whit bolts onto something that weighs 100's of kg to stop it from moving about. The wheels often don't seem much better either.

                                The up your nose aspect does bother some.

                                John

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                                pgk pgk
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                                  Posted by Tony Pratt 1 on 30/08/2016 17:16:44:

                                  To be honest is there anyone on here who has a off hand grinder who thinks they can do without it? By the way I don't regard an angle grinder as a suitable alternative.

                                  Tony

                                  I'd rather part with my bench grinder than my bench belt sander (if I had to make a choice)

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