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  • #814442
    Andy Brocklehurst
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      @andybrocklehurst85292

      I’m learning turning and parting off on my mini lathe just using some 6mm brass bar, turning and facing is ok but when I part off I get left with a stalk.
      The part seems to snap off before it’s cut, I’ve got the insert centralised (the best I can by shimming) running at around 350rmp with cutting oil using the insert shown.
      Any advice appreciated.IMG_1738IMG_1739IMG_1740

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      #814446
      roy entwistle
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        @royentwistle24699

        Don’t use cutting oil on brass. Is your tool too high? and slow down a bit.

        Roy

        #814448
        Andy Brocklehurst
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          @andybrocklehurst85292
          On roy entwistle Said:

          Don’t use cutting oil on brass. Is your tool too high? and slow down a bit.

          Roy

          Ok thanks, I’ll try and get the tool a bit lower.

          #814453
          Nealeb
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            @nealeb

            The parting inserts I have bought always have a tip that is parallel with the lathe axis so that they produce a flat-bottomed groove. Inevitably, this means that the work will break off when the remaining material is too weak to support it and almost always leave more or less of a pip. In the days of HSS tools, the parting tool would often be ground at a slight angle on the tip so that the RH corner cut slightly more deeply than the LH corner. Get it right and the work would drop off leaving any pip on the material left in the chuck. However, my own experience was that this slight angle could also cause the tool to go in to the work and progressively move to the right, leaving a concave face on the parted-off work. These days, I use standard inserts and accept that I need a second operation to clean up the face. I believe that inserts with angled tips are available, although I have never gone in search of them.

            I cut brass dry, and probably faster than you are, although my own lathe is a bit heavier than a mini-lathe. Main thing is to keep a steady feed but at least the chips tend to fly off and not jam, as they can do with steel.

            #814458
            Diogenes
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              @diogenes

              Yes, I find that can also happen because some of the cheaper tips seem to need a bit of pressure to keep them cutting – I try and ease-off a bit when I know it’s very close to the middle, and let it just ‘shave’ the last bit for a few turns, any residue left should be foil-thin and can be scraped off, much as Nealeb says.

              ‘Sharper’ inserts can help, also, as said, making sure that c/height and alignment are as good as you can get them.

              #814460
              Peter Cook 6
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                @petercook6

                Looking up those inserts suggests they are primarily designed for grooving, so the cutting edge is square to the lathe axis. ARCEurotrade’s website shows parting off with those inserts with what appears to be a slight angle to make the RH corner of the insert do the main work.

                On my micro lathe, the parting tool is ground with an angled tip as Nealeb suggests.

                #814464
                Andy Brocklehurst
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                  @andybrocklehurst85292

                  Thank you for all your replies folks, I’ll try all your suggestions.

                  #814478
                  Bo’sun
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                    @bosun58570

                    I realise it will be difficult to do, but I’ve often wondered if an inverted V profile on the face of the parting blade would work.  It would balance the lateral cutting forces caused by a single angled face, and help remove the pip.

                    #814483
                    JasonB
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                      @jasonb

                      The ARC ones are Neutral inserts hence the N in the code, just the image shows the “ideal”. Right and left bias are available but can have the cut wandering off if the setup is not rigid.

                      MGGM200 inserts are available and sharper so will  put less pressure on the material and not cause the unsuported part and bit at the bottom of the cut to break off so soon but you are still likely to get a foil thin piece attached but flick it off with a finger nail or pull with pliers and then deburr the hole.

                      You could happily double or treble your speed with brass of that sort of diameter

                      #814508
                      cogdobbler
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                        @cogdobbler

                        At 6mm diameter,  brass with carbide tooling, rpm ideally should be about 3,000. Knock that in half because parting can be more difficult than plain turning and you are still at 1500 rpm.

                        Running at 350rpm on such a small diameter in brass with carbide tooling is such a low surface speed the carbide will struggle to cut, as you have found.

                         

                         

                        #814515
                        Andy Brocklehurst
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                          @andybrocklehurst85292
                          On cogdobbler Said:

                          At 6mm diameter,  brass with carbide tooling, rpm ideally should be about 3,000. Knock that in half because parting can be more difficult than plain turning and you are still at 1500 rpm.

                          Running at 350rpm on such a small diameter in brass with carbide tooling is such a low surface speed the carbide will struggle to cut, as you have found.

                           

                           

                          Ok, thanks for that I’ll try speeding up.

                          #814520
                          old mart
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                            @oldmart

                            I like that type of parting off insert, and have them in 2 and 3mm widths. Having larger lathes, I have found a source of 26 and 32mm blades which suit me better than the style that smaller lathes require. Inserts are available in steel and aluminium grades, and for brass, I recommend the aluminium HO1 grade. I get a small stalk on the part cut off, you can minimise it, but probably not totally eliminate them. Only experimenting with height and speed as advised will you find the best settings which may vary with different metals. Parting is better if there is a hole in the workpiece. Slow down the feed rate as the diameter left gets smaller or you get near the hole diameter.

                            #814524
                            Vic
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                              @vic

                              Nealeb’s comment is what I’ve found. The effect can be somewhat reduced by grinding only a slight angle. I very rarely use inserts for parting since I tried the T shape HSS blades. They work great in all but the hardest materials and can be used on plastics and softer materials as well. They work fine on brass.

                              #814539
                              old mart
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                                @oldmart

                                I have a 7 x 12 lathe at home and have found it works well with the blades like Vic uses. That is because that is the only parting tool I have for it. When I bought the lathe second hand, the original owner had had trouble parting off with the blade upside down in the holder, I didn’t mention that to him when I bought the lathe.

                                #814550
                                howardb
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                                  @howardb
                                  On Andy Brocklehurst Said:
                                  On roy entwistle Said:

                                  Don’t use cutting oil on brass. Is your tool too high? and slow down a bit.

                                  Roy

                                  Ok thanks, I’ll try and get the tool a bit lower.

                                  As you are learning to use your lathe, try to establish the basics, such as making sure the cutting edge or point of the tool is exactly on the centre of the work.

                                  This is one way

                                  or

                                  #814558
                                  samuel heywood
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                                    @samuelheywood23031

                                    I usually find any “stalk” can be removed with a sharp blade, eg a scalpel~easier with brass than steel 😉 my stalks are usually wafer thin, so check tool centre height if they’re not.

                                    #814565
                                    Pete
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                                      @pete41194

                                      Most industrial parting I’ve watched videos of are using at least medium to high pressure flood coolant, enclosed machines, wider and very rigid carbide parting tips, tool & tip holders, and extremely rigid lathes as well. When there tail stock weighs more than my whole lathe, the results are going to be a bit different. 🙂 And many are using the slightly angled parting tip so there’s nothing left on the finished part. The usual parting tool blade deflection with our usually delicate parting tools may not be acceptable to some. All that contributes to usually acceptable surface finishes. Were still trying to do the exact same thing as they are, but there’s huge differences in how it’s being done. A second operation clean up cut to improve the parts surface finish where it’s been parted off or to remove any pip would be highly undesirable in an industrial environment due to time and extra cost.

                                      Few of us are using anything like that. Sometimes I can get a nice clean parted surface without any minor grooving from the parted swarf, but it’s not predictable. For myself I’ll usually part off slightly too long and accept that need for a second operation clean up cut to the parts finished length. If that surface finish is unimportant and there is any pip or torn material left as Samuel already mentioned, that few swipes with a file or a rub on some emery paper will remove it. What industrial part production considers easy and normal, most of us can’t even dream of doing. And for those high volumes of part production, they also spend a lot of time and expense to optimize every single cutting tool, carbide grade down to the brand and coating type, rpm etc until they can get exactly what there looking for in the absolute shortest time possible for every part. That’s something rarely even mentioned. Even when parting, the most basic of cnc lathes today are going to have constant surface speed (CSS). So the surface cutting speed remains constant until it’s parted off. Many here may not have or for there own reasons, may not want to use power cross feed while parting off, so that’s another variable.

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