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  • #797402
    jilly5599
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      @jilly5599

      Hello,

       

      I have recently got a boxford model A, when I try and put it into back gear with the back gear lever fully to the left and I power on the lathe the chuck doesnt turn and the lever gets thrown back to the right. Can anyone help me on this? If I move the motor by hand it seems to turn the chuck in reverse ok but not forward.

       

      Thanks

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      #797424
      Gerard O’Toole
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        @gerardotoole60348

        I am no expert, but on my model A, in order to engage the back gear TWO separate levers need to be moved, what Boxford call the back gear to the rear left and the ‘sliding gear lever’ on the front of the headstock to the right.

        Which lever did you move . The controls also seem to have changed over the years and so more details might help with a more appropriate answer.

        Here is a photograph of the plate on my lathe. A/B is the sliding gear lever and C/D is the back gear lever

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        #797429
        Clive Brown 1
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          @clivebrown1

          Underdrive machines have back-gear operated by a single lever, of which I have no experience. Is that the OP’s machine?

          The handbook says:-

          “The back gear on underdrive machines is operated by a single lever mounted on top of the headstock.Two movements of the lever are necessary. The lever is normally locked in position by one or other of the socket-head cap screws fixed in the lever. These screws engage contacts of a microswitch in the headstock casting and prevent the lever being depressed etc etc”

          HTH

          #797440
          Bazyle
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            @bazyle

            Is this an old lathe with the motor behind the headstock and visible which is known as the ‘model A’? If it has the motor in the cabinet underneath it is an AUD.

            If you have the lever on the front style then with the other lever in the ‘normal’ running position the pulley is released from the big gear (bullwheel). Then you can freely rotate the chuck as it is completely disconnected from the drive. Useful for setting up. However in old lathes sometimes the brass dog inside the headstock that moves bullwheel is too worn or broken to disengage it. So check this first. Later lathes put this lever on the top.

            Then the lever on the left moving towards the front engages the backgears, if they are not damaged. If you move the side lever like this but not the front lever then the spindle is locked. Do not use this feature to hold the spindle to apply force to undo a stuck chuck or you will break teh gears. That is a very common problem.

            #797448
            jilly5599
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              @jilly5599

              Yes it’s the model A with the motor behind the headstock, same as the one pictured

              #797462
              Paul Lousick
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                @paullousick59116

                I have a Southbend and I believe that the Boxford is a clone. When engaging backgear, you have to disengage a drive pin on the side of the gear as shown below. The spindle is then driven thru the gears and not directly from the pulleys.

                Lathe

                #797471
                Clive Brown 1
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                  @clivebrown1

                  The Boxford isn’t quite the same:- Two pictures showing fast and slow back gear positions, the lever on the front may need the spindle to be jiggled to get it to engage.

                  FastSlow

                  #797473
                  Bazyle
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                    @bazyle

                    OK so it takes 2 levers. The front one is sort of removing the pin which on the South Bend is linking the pulley to the bullwheel. When disengaged, (lever to left, = pin out) the pulley should rotate freely on the spindle. Look in at the back and you should see the gear moving when you operate the front lever to produce a 1/4 in gap between gear and pulley block. This is where wear or breakage might not move it enough.
                    Note that there is a small groove looking like a pulley groove at the chuck side of the gear which needs one drip of oil a month and there is a screw at the bottom of one of the pulley block grooves which is an oil hole needing a couple of drips too only when using the backgear. Don’t overdo it to avoid slippy belts but don’t forget or the pully welds to the spindle.

                    #797497
                    jilly5599
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                      @jilly5599

                      Just looking at the pulleys on the spindle then, should they rotate freely on the spindle? There’s a grub screw in middle which on mine isn’t tightened down to the spindle but the pulleys don’t freely rotate on the spindle, could that be my problem?

                      #797509
                      Clive Brown 1
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                        @clivebrown1

                        That screw is an oiling point, to be removed and oiled esp. when using back gear, when the spindle and pully rotate at different speeds.

                        Sounds as if your pulley might have seized on the spindle. Could be bad news. Try oiling generously and rotating each component by hand in opposite directions. Put the front lever in the disengaged position first.

                        #797510
                        Bazyle
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                          @bazyle

                          The pulley block ONLY rotates freely (plus belts to the motor etc obviously) when the front lever is moved to the left and the side lever is towards the back so the layshaft with two gears on it (big on the left, small on the right) is not engaged and also rotates freely. If the pulley block is not then able to rotate it means you have a problem with the front lever mechanism. The grubscrew you found is the oil hole.

                          You also mentioned the lever ‘jumps back’. It should have a spring loaded detent. Were you referring to the lever at the side?

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