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  • #100058
    Jeff Dixon
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      @jeffdixon76479

      Hi Folks.

      This is probably one of those really stupid questions but…..

      Can someone please tell me how I can remove the self centering chuck on my sealey SM27 lathe?

      I am just starting out and all the books say treat the 3 jaw chuck with great care as it is easily damaged and distorted. The lathe does not seem to have a method of locking the spindel and the instructions are worse than useless to be honest.

      If there is any advice about removing the backlash in the cross slide that would be handy as well.

      Thank you for your help.

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      Jeff Dixon
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        @jeffdixon76479
        #100178
        JohnF
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          @johnf59703

          Jeff, I am not familiar with your lathe but assuming it has a screw on chuck and is a standard type drive with back gear etc, one way would be to engage the back gear to "lock" the spindle then use a piece of flat bar gripped in the chuck jaws to use as a lever you can loosen the chuck, remove the bar and unscrew. Good idea to put a piece of plywood or similar on the bed to protect it in case the chuck was to slip off.

          Take care with this method so not to damage the back gear — you would have to be a bit ham fisted to do so but I have seen it done !

          Backlash well I'm sure someone with one of these M/C,s will have already worked out how to do this.

          Cheers John

          #100179
          JohnF
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            @johnf59703

            Jeff, I am not familiar with your lathe but assuming it has a screw on chuck and is a standard type drive with back gear etc, one way would be to engage the back gear to "lock" the spindle then use a piece of flat bar gripped in the chuck jaws to use as a lever you can loosen the chuck, remove the bar and unscrew. Good idea to put a piece of plywood or similar on the bed to protect it in case the chuck was to slip off.

            Take care with this method so not to damage the back gear — you would have to be a bit ham fisted to do so but I have seen it done !

            Backlash well I'm sure someone with one of these M/C,s will have already worked out how to do this.

            Cheers John

            #100184
            Keith Long
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              @keithlong89920

              Jeff

              I'm not sure but I think that your lathe might have the chuck secured by bolts through the back of the lathe spindle end plate and inot the back of the chuck/backplate, rather than it having a threaded spindle nose. If that is tha case you could do a LOT of damage by locking the spindle with the gears and trying to unscrew the chuck. Have you got the face plate for your machine – if so that should hsow you how the chuck is fitted as it will be the same.

              Keith – I agree that the instruction "manual" is rubbish – tells you nothing.

              #100185
              Michael Gilligan
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                @michaelgilligan61133

                Jeff,

                Picking-up on Keith's observation

                Please look at this Parts List

                MichaelG.

                #100187
                Jens Eirik Skogstad 1
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                  @jenseirikskogstad1

                  The chuck is fastened to spindle with the 3 nuts back the spindle disc. Remove the 3 nuts and the chuck is dismantled. Protect the bed with plywood plate before dismantling the chuck.

                  #100189
                  Terryd
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                    @terryd72465

                    Hi Jeff,

                    If this is the first time and you have removed the three chuck securing nuts from behind the mounting plate, it is probably stuck with the protective grease that was originally used to protect these components. I had the same problem and used a rubber mallet to knock the chuck off. You need to rotate the chuck a little after each blow. It will release suddenly so be prepared as Jens said by protecting the bed with ply, I have a specially shaped softwood cradle which protects the bed and is used to store the chuck, I'll take a picture later. You may also like use a large wad of cloth, both to cushion the possible landing and to prevent it rolling off the bed if the chuck releases unexpectedly. A rubber mallet will not damage the chuck.

                    Tips:

                    Switch OFF the power to your lathe, do NOT put your free hand under the chuck to catch it, you WILL cause yourself an injury, Also be sure to REMOVE any fabric before turning the lathe on again. Clean off the protective grease with white spirit and lubricate chuck locating spigot with a dry grease, I use PTFE spray – it doesn't attract swarf or grit – to prevent sticking in future.

                    Regards

                    Terry

                    P.S. I Forgot embarrassed,  do not remove the nuts completely from the securing studs, screw them to the end of the stud then use the mallet.  This will prevent the chuck dropping unexpectedly when it releases.

                    T

                    Edited By Terryd on 07/10/2012 07:56:20

                    #100192
                    Terryd
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                      @terryd72465

                      Hi Jeff,

                      Out of interest I post pictures of my chuck cradles on my lathe which is different to yours but the principles apply, They really need a means of locating them accurately on the bed of the machine such as a block of wood attached to the underside. I forgot to mention that the padding etc is to protect the bed of the lathe rather than the chuck – bed damage is much more important to accuracy (and expensive to repair) than a 'bruise' on the chuck.

                      In case you are not exactly sure I also attach a picture of one of the securing nuts of the chuck, ignore it if it is of no interest.

                      1. Chuck cradle positioned to protect bed and chuck when removing (Spray is included as a reminder!):

                      chuck cradle 1.jpg

                      2. Chuck cradle used for storage – I have one for each chuck:

                      chuck cradle.jpg

                      3. Chuck securing nut – do not completely remove initially when releasing chuck:

                      chuck securing nut..jpg

                      Hope this may be of some help,

                      Best regards

                      Terry

                      #100193
                      Ian S C
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                        @iansc

                        Terry is right, unless its like a combination lathe/ mill a friend has, the chuck on that is held in place with cap screws, and they are that close to the head that you can't get a standard Allen key in, so you have to cut a good bit off, then as you unscrew the screws, you pull the chuck out. If it were mine, I'd fit studs, and use nuts. Ian S C

                        #100197
                        Jeff Dixon
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                          @jeffdixon76479
                          Posted by Jens Eirik Skogstad on 07/10/2012 06:50:49:

                          The chuck is fastened to spindle with the 3 nuts back the spindle disc. Remove the 3 nuts and the chuck is dismantled. Protect the bed with plywood plate before dismantling the chuck.

                          Hi, thanks for all the advice fellas. The back plate and the 4 Jaw chucks have a thread so I assume it comes off complete with it's backplate?

                          There is no back gear, speed selection is by pully selection and an idler pully assembly. Reverse is selected by a switch.

                          I have made a wooden bed for the chuck which sits across the ways, if ever I manage to shift it then it has somewhere to land.

                          Perhaps I need to remove the chuck and then the back plate? I do not quite understand why I would need to do this unless it is a security device.

                          As I said the handbook is about as much use as a chocolate fireguard!

                          #100200
                          Gordon W
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                            @gordonw

                            Sounds similar to my machine. if it has the three cap screws you most likely will need a cut down hex key, replace with short studs and spacers and nuts when convenient. With a wood plate on the bed, put a short piece of wood in the chuck and use that to wiggle about or hit if the chuck is tight. No need to touch the chuck backplates.

                            #100203
                            Terryd
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                              @terryd72465

                              Hi Jeff,

                              let us have a picture of the chuck locating screw. I will give you a bit of extra advice when I fully understand teh problem, I'm pretty sure I know what you mean but I need to be certain, You don't really need a back gear.

                              Best regards

                              from a fellow Dixon

                              #100204
                              Bazyle
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                                @bazyle

                                If it is a screw on try warming up the chuck with an air gun to expand the joint and soften the grease. To come back to your starting question the spindle has to be secured by using the concept of the jam jar lid remover pulling a belt (old fan belt?) tight around the pulley to grip it. Tricky job. As you have probably picked up elsewhere the chuck key is not to be used as a lever. Best is a large piece of hex held in the jaws and a spanner. Teh shock force of a tap with a hammer is often required.

                                When refitting make sure the chuck is not hotter than the spindle or you get a shrink fit. Terry's wood block is good but pack it up to chuck height to make refitting easier especially if a bolt fitting.

                                The photos on the web of the 4 jaw and faceplate do make it look like a screw fitting though they could be stock photos and it could be you have the wrong chuck. If you have found studs etc on the 3 jaw no harm in taking it off to get a better look at the backplate joint. If it is a non screw fitting it may be like the hobbymat where the fixed spindle plate has additional holes from new for fitting the 4 jaw which will be a clue.

                                Sealey do seem to charge way over the odds for general parts not specific to the lathe, eg morse taper fittings. It seems they are exploiting the car/bike repair market of people who don't know much about other tool sources.

                                #100205
                                Terryd
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                                  @terryd72465

                                  Hi Jeff,

                                  I'm a bit confused here, I just checked the Sealy parts list (see Michale Gilligans link above) and the spindle definitely shows a mounting plate such as I and others have described. The relevant part is number 45 in that list. I have extracted it here and you can see the mounting plate as an integral part of the spindle – not a seperate component – on the rh side of the picture.

                                  sealy spindle.jpg

                                  I suggest that you do a double check and definitely post some pictures, just make an album and upload them (must be jpegs) You can then post them using the 'Camera' icon above teh message box.

                                  Best regards

                                  Terry

                                  Edited By Terryd on 07/10/2012 11:03:16

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