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    Posted by brian jones 11 on 12/07/2021 15:13:35:

    Well guys we have had a very lively discussion on the question "Engineering – would you recommend this to a kid"

    See CNC Shock at low pay for high skills https://www.model-engineer.co.uk/forums/postings.asp?th=173738

    Many responses came from people who were clearly salary employed most of their lives.

    Now this invites the a response from the other side – being a manager or an employer

    Many of you may have experience using a local tradesman to do some job on your house, plumber, electrician, roofer, builder, painter etc

    You will all have seen the dirty tricks most of these cowboys getup to – its a long list and it would take dozens of pages to cover the scenarios

    Suffice to say that your job has a start end point and expected completion state

    Taking on an employees, your company is likely in a foreseeable continuous mode so your employee is providing services (job description). The honeymoon begins, lots of bonhonnie close up up for advice and direction yada yada (while the newbie figures out your weakness). Then job familiarity sets in and the newbie finds ways of swinging the lead. Then you try to put him on piecework with time targets and failure rates – but machines mysteriously breakdown, time measurements go wrong/missing, then comes elf n safety where he was asked to pick up a box off a trolley BUT you failed to provided training and how to handle heavy loads – worker goes sick with back ache and the doc signs him off with spine problem for 6 months sick pay – which the company has to pay and also hire a replacement body

    Just a few examples of man management horrors whats been your experience

    what are the solutions

    Edited By brian jones 11 on 12/07/2021 15:15:35

    Look closely at the chap who's doing the recruiting and find out if he's asking the right questions.

    Someone who finds his people persistently 'swing the lead' should have his management skills reviewed. Excellent engineers are often rotten managers! Actually many managers are poor stuff too – it ain't easy.

    Dave

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