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  • #330790
    bricky
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      @bricky

      Hi

      I have made an error on boreing a bearing housing of 18 th". I rebored and was successful in getting the new position correct.Now I want to glue them in position but it will require an adhesive to take up the 18th" or another solution.

      Frank

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      #33117
      bricky
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        @bricky
        #330793
        nigel jones 5
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          @nigeljones5

          You need a small bottle of loctite bearing retainer, yellow guey stuff but made exactly for your application.

          #330795
          Jeff Dayman
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            @jeffdayman43397

            Is Bricky talking about needing 1/8 of an inch clearance takeup? If so I don't think a Loctite product would fill that gap and carry any load. Maybe .010" but not .125". Hope he clears up what he's after. If it's truly a 1/8" gap I would suggest a turned metal sleeve to fill the gap and Loctite brg ret on both surfs of the sleeve maybe.

            #330796
            Clive Brown 1
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              @clivebrown1

              I interpreted 18 th" as 18 thou, still too much for ordinary loctite AFAIK. They do a "Quickmetal" goop for worn components, but it's expensive. I've never used it.

              I think I'd bore bigger and fit a sleeve if possible, as suggested above

              #330797
              websnail
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                @websnail

                +0.018" is how I read it.blush

                Edited By websnail on 06/12/2017 21:54:02

                #330798
                vintagengineer
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                  @vintagengineer

                  Knurling is an old bodge to make things bigger. Make up a boring bar with one wheel on the end.

                  #330811
                  Mike Poole
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                    @mikepoole82104

                    Have a look at tolerance rings, these are made to fit bearings in damaged housings after remachining.

                    Mike

                    #330820
                    I.M. OUTAHERE
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                      @i-m-outahere

                      Best bodge – do as Mike says or bore the hole out well oversized like 1/8 over then machine up an insert ring that matches the oversize bore and has its bore well undersized, loctite and a light press fit into oversize housing then bore that out to match the bearing .

                      desperate bodge – use some 0.008 thou feeler gauge strip or some shim material to make an infill ring that sits in the oversize hole then using ample bearing retainer on all surfaces push the bearing into the infill ring / housing assembly , you have to use 0.008 thou as you dont want a press fit as it will drag the shim in with the bearing if you try to press it in – i prefer the first option as it is more reliable and yields a neater repair .

                      #330830
                      Martin Dowing
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                        @martindowing58466

                        @XD

                        0.008 inch, eg.8 thou?

                        Martin

                        #330831
                        Tractor man
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                          @tractorman

                          @Martin XD is correct as the gap to be filled is annular 0.008 feeler would work well. Think taking a cut of 0.5mm on the lathe dial and finding the bar 1mm smaller in diameter. Same principle, sorry if this is egg sucking to you but to others it may not seem so clear. Regards

                          #330832
                          Michael Gilligan
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                            @michaelgilligan61133

                            Some clarification from Frank [bricky] would be helpful, but … if we're talking 0.018" on the diameter, then Loctite 641 should do the job easily … As fizzy mentioned.

                            **LINK**

                            http://www.loctite.co.uk/loctite-4087.htm?nodeid=8802627649537&msdsLanguage=EN_GB&selectedTab=document

                            Technical DataSheet here: **LINK**

                            http://tds.henkel.com/tds5/Studio/ShowPDF/641-EN?pid=641&format=MTR&subformat=REAC&language=EN&plant=WERCS

                            MichaelG.

                            #330833
                            Clive Hartland
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                              @clivehartland94829

                              You could also buy some of those rings with pressed in dimples to fit the gap but you would then have to machine the hole again to the size to fit one. I dont know what they are called but have seen them on motor bearings.

                              #330861
                              I.M. OUTAHERE
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                                @i-m-outahere
                                Posted by Martin Dowing on 07/12/2017 08:11:03:

                                @XD

                                0.008 inch, eg.8 thou?

                                Martin

                                Hi Martin,

                                Yes my post was originally meant to read 0.008 in (8 thou ) appologies for rhe typo !

                                #330865
                                Neil A
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                                  @neila

                                  I'm afraid that I am with Clive on this one. Maximum gap fill on diameter for LOCTITE 641 is quoted as 0,2mm   or  0.008" . I don't think you would achieve a satisfactory bond at 0.018" oversize on diameter.

                                  LOCTITE 660 is an alternative, but expensive.

                                  Personally I would be looking to sleeve and rebore if possible.

                                  Have a look at the link to the brochure, see what you think.

                                  **LINK**

                                   

                                  Edited By Neil A on 07/12/2017 12:07:09

                                  Edited By Neil A on 07/12/2017 12:07:55

                                  #330868
                                  bricky
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                                    @bricky

                                    You are right Michael I have not been clear enough.I was 18/1000" low on the correct position I milled the bearing housing to this amount leaving a gap of 18/1000" below thw fitted bearing.I hope this makes it clearer.

                                    Frank

                                    #330874
                                    JasonB
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                                      @jasonb

                                      So are you saying you have the original hole and a new one bored 0.018" higher in which case you will not need to fill the top but will have a max gap of 0.018" at the bottom.

                                      loose bearing2.jpg

                                      In which case I think your best option is to bore alarger hole in the correct position so that all trace of the old hole is removed and then sleeve it or find a bearing with larger OD

                                       

                                      Edited By JasonB on 07/12/2017 13:26:45

                                      #330875
                                      Ian S C
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                                        @iansc

                                        Bricky, the one recommended by Loctite is 660, it is a paste in a tube, and it's good to .020" on dia/.010" gap. Its also good for warn splines and things like that.

                                        Ian S C

                                        #330891
                                        bricky
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                                          @bricky

                                          Thanks to all for your suggestions I will have a ponder on what to do next.Jason has drawn exactly what I have ended up with.

                                          Frank

                                          #330911
                                          Alistair Robertson 1
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                                            @alistairrobertson1

                                            A few years ago I worked for a company that built up very special gearboxes with ratios from 1000 to 1 up to 1 TO 200. These gearboxes were very expensive but several of the sections had designed oversize bearing bores and were assembled with a special Loctite adhesive. Several 100's of £ a bottle as I remember.

                                            This kept all the shafts etc. in alignment and we never had a gearbox returned with any shaft problems.

                                            Alistair.

                                            #330914
                                            HOWARDT
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                                              @howardt

                                              Similar problem on here recently with over sized bore. The concensus then was to rebore the hole, plug and rebore in its correct place. If the bearing is used as a loaded support then it requires a tolerance bore/shaft as per catalogue to achieve the correct fit for the loads being applied. Applying glue of any kind in an oversize hole cannot give positional accuracy or bearing fit if the hole is not a fit in the first place. But if the bearing is non critical, just there as a support of a free shaft, then you would be ok.

                                              #330922
                                              Mike Poole
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                                                @mikepoole82104

                                                A tolerance ring is a thin piece of Spring steel with a pressed in design to grip the housing and the bearing. Concentricity should be good as long as the housing is true. They can be useful where there is not enough housing to bore and fit a sleeve and also it is not critical to bore the housing to the quite tight tolerance needed for a correct fit of a bearing.

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                                                #330928
                                                Jeff Dayman
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                                                  @jeffdayman43397

                                                  Mike Poole- the op has stated that his hole is bored off centre as Jason drew up.

                                                  Tolerance rings WILL NOT fix off centre holes. They can take up undersize holes bored on correct centres.

                                                  #330935
                                                  JasonB
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                                                    @jasonb

                                                    Jeff, how do you get the bearing and a tolerance ring in an undersize holesmile p

                                                    #330936
                                                    Mike Poole
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                                                      @mikepoole82104

                                                      I realised that Jeff, the point I was making is that a tolerance ring is useful when there is not much meat in the housing to fit a conventional type of sleeve. The housing would need another visit to the lathe to make a fully concentric housing. I personally would prefer to only use the adhesive solutions when the fit of the housing is insufficient to prevent rotation of the bearing. Despite impressive claims for gap filling I don't feel this is a job for adhesive. I did say the housing needed to be true in my post.

                                                      Mike

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