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  • #493603
    Malc
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      @malc

      I am looking into replacing the worn bushes in a Kennedy hacksaw with oilite bushes, however the shaft is also worn and I would like to make a new shaft. The question is, could I make the new shaft out of mild steel or would it need to be made from something special? I am also wondering how good the finish would need to be when making the new shaft on the lathe?

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      Malc
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        #493606
        old mart
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          @oldmart

          If you use mild steel, the life will not be as good as hard material, but for home use it would be satisfactory. Polish the shaft where it passes through the bush. While you are about it, why not make an extra shaft, then you can be sure that the first one you fitted will last forever. Dont forget to oil the bush with a couple of drops regularly.

          #493608
          IanT
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            @iant

            I'm going to be doing pretty much the same thing shortly Malc and intend to use the existing (worn) shaft and turn it down slightly to fit new Oilite bearings in the original (cast iron) bearing holes – which I will bore out. Turn the shaft just enough to remove the wear and then check for the nearest ID bearing size down (either metric or imperial) and shoot for that.

            I will probably lap the shaft (after turning) to get the best fit & finish….

            Regards,

            IanT

            Edited By IanT on 31/08/2020 22:02:23

            #493610
            Nick Clarke 3
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              @nickclarke3
              Posted by old mart on 31/08/2020 21:32:48:

              While you are about it, why not make an extra shaft, then you can be sure that the first one you fitted will last forever.

              Such cynicism I expect from the young, not someone signing themselves as OLD Mart! 😂😂

              Edited By Nick Clarke 3 on 31/08/2020 22:05:05

              #493614
              David George 1
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                @davidgeorge1

                I would just use silver steel and replace with size oilite bearings to suit the shaft. If you have to bore the casting you can turn the OD of the bush to suit the casting as the inside is the bearing area with lube which shouldn't be machined unless it can't be helped.

                David

                #493645
                Malc
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                  @malc

                  Morning all. Thanks for the interest, very much appreciated.

                  Ian, I had considered turning down the shaft but I think it is too hard, I certainly can’t make any impression on it with a file.

                  David, your silver steel idea is a thought. I will have to look into the cost of the bushes and silver steel etc.

                  Before going too far I would like to sort out the drive belt problems they all seem to have, apparently some on this forum have used PolyV belting. I suppose I am wondering whether the money spent will be worth it. Thanks again all for the replies.

                  #493659
                  Circlip
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                    @circlip

                    And note, use "Oilites" guide for hole diameter in casting. When fitting they rely on a compression fit which also squeezes Oilite bore down to nominal size.

                    Regards Ian (another one)

                    #493705
                    old mart
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                      @oldmart

                      Oilite bushes can be bored to size, but reaming is not recommended. The reaming action tends to smear over the pores and impede the oiling.

                      #493720
                      Howard Lewis
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                        @howardlewis46836

                        Old Mart is not being cynical, just realistic.

                        Whatever you lose will come to light just after you replace it!

                        Silver steel would be my choice for the shaft. It may well take a long while to wear it badly, as long as the shaft and bushes are kept oiled.

                        Howard

                        #493756
                        Malc
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                          @malc

                          Thanks for the heads up about the oilite bushes fellas. Not being a “Proper” engineer these are the sort of things that make me nervous when it comes to fitting bushes to castings. The difficulty in accurately measuring an inside diameter doesn’t help in these cases.

                          #493758
                          David George 1
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                            @davidgeorge1

                            What diamiter iand length s the shaft and what diamiter is the hole in the casting. Have a look at simply bearings web site they have a good selection.

                            David

                            #493761
                            Malc
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                              @malc

                              Hi David, the shaft is about 4” long and 3/4” outside diameter. The bushes in the casting are 7/8” outside diameter.

                              #493763
                              not done it yet
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                                @notdoneityet

                                The difficulty in accurately measuring an inside diameter doesn’t help in these cases.

                                If a measurement is really important, make a very close fitting plug and measure the outside diameter of that.

                                #493770
                                Malc
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                                  @malc

                                  Yes, that’s how I’ve done it in the past, just a nuisance. Nice to know I’m doing things right though.

                                  #493830
                                  David George 1
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                                    @davidgeorge1

                                    Hi Malcolm just looked on line and you can get a piece of silver steel from less than £12.00 and a couple of bushes for around £3.50 each just knock out the old bushes and check the diamiter with a micromiter. If you look on the Oilite web site it gives the corect size for hole and if it is OK and matches the bush should just press in with a piece of screwed rod two washers and a couple of nuts. Try the spindle in it should rotate but not loose.

                                    David

                                    #493836
                                    Malc
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                                      @malc

                                      Hi David, I’m still playing around with the drive belt / pulleys to try and improve that side of the job first. I did look at the cost of the bushes and silver steel myself, not too bad. Thanks for that.

                                      #541830
                                      Andrew Moyes 1
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                                        @andrewmoyes1

                                        I too am restoring an old Kennedy power hacksaw and by luck I stumbled across this thread. I have exactly the same problem of a worn shaft and bushings. On mine, the shaft is unhardened. I intend to fit new Oilite bushes and would like to upgrade to a hardened shaft, which I believe is advisable when running in bronze. I can’t find any commercial source of ¾” hardened and ground steel. So I thought I would have a go at turning down some EN3B, carburising it using an old tin of Kasenit I have and then grinding it to size on the lathe with my toolpost grinder. I’m wondering how much grinding allowance to leave. It needs to be enough to correct any distortion but not enough to grind through the casehardening. The shaft is only 4.3/4” long and I will plunge the shaft vertically when hardening it to minimise distortion. My gut feeling is about 4 thou but I don’t have any feel for how deep the carburising will be. Any advice will be gratefully received.

                                        #541837
                                        not done it yet
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                                          @notdoneityet

                                          Not an expert on case hardening, so I would select a higher carbon steel which can be through-hardened. Oil quenched, without waiting for the full soaking time at red heat, should be fine.Water quenching and tempering would be just as good, I expect…

                                          #541841
                                          Tony Pratt 1
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                                            @tonypratt1

                                            I doubt dunking your shaft into a tin of Kasenit will achieve much case depth at all.When I did industrial case hardening the parts were soaked for many hours in carbon rich compound.

                                            Tony

                                            #541850
                                            Andrew Moyes 1
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                                              @andrewmoyes1

                                              If I were to use a high-carbon steel instead of carburising, to what colour would you suggest the shaft be tempered?

                                              Andrew

                                              #541854
                                              duncan webster 1
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                                                @duncanwebster1

                                                You can get surface hardened shafting intended for linear bearings. It can be machined with carbide. Alternatively get the existing shaft hard chrome plated and grind it back to size.

                                                Having said all that I'd just use en8, how much sawing are you going to do in a home workshop

                                                #541857
                                                old mart
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                                                  @oldmart

                                                  Chrome plating is not a recommended surface to run with bronze. Hardened steel is best if you can achieve it.

                                                  #541863
                                                  Tony Pratt 1
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                                                    @tonypratt1

                                                    Put in Google images 'carbon steel temper colors', loads of information for you to peruse & make your choice. Shafts aren't normally though hardened but yellow to orange I would say.

                                                    Tony

                                                    #541864
                                                    Andrew Moyes 1
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                                                      @andrewmoyes1

                                                      Duncan, all the commercial shafting I have seen is metric. Altering the machine casting and pulley to take a 20mm metric shaft and bushes instead of 3/4" is another option but more work.

                                                      Re the suggestion to use unhardened EN8, the original unhardened shaft has worn badly, hence why I wanted to do something better. That seemed a good idea at the time but maybe I should just do that and replace it again if and when it wears.

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