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  • #215369
    Rainbows
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      @rainbows

      Well that title kind of sums up my question. I just find that except for between centres turning there isn't much work the taper in the headstock spindle does. If I were making a lathe I might get rid of the taper and replace it with the socket for an ER collet or somesuch.

      Maybe I just neglect the potential for morse taper tooling.

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      #17917
      Rainbows
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        @rainbows
        #215370
        NJH
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          @njh

          Fly cutter – boring head – MT drill for work secured on saddle ?

          Norman

          #215373
          V8Eng
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            @v8eng

            I have a couple of small chucks mounted on MT2 arbors, get used on odd occasions only though.

            Edited By V8Eng on 06/12/2015 23:27:32

            #215376
            Nick_G
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              @nick_g

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              I would if I had one for turning between centers with a catchplate and dog.

              Trouble is some bright spark numptie at Boxford decided it would be a good idea to make the taper in the headstock a non-standard Morse 4 1/2 taper.! sad

              They will gladly sell me one that reduces to a No.3 but want £115 plus VAT for them.! angry

              So if anyone has for some obscure reason got a 4 1/4 taper please let me know.

              Nick

              #215380
              Rainbows
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                @rainbows
                Posted by Nick_G on 06/12/2015 23:50:04:

                .

                I would if I had one for turning between centers with a catchplate and dog.

                Trouble is some bright spark numptie at Boxford decided it would be a good idea to make the taper in the headstock a non-standard Morse 4 1/2 taper.! sad

                They will gladly sell me one that reduces to a No.3 but want £115 plus VAT for them.! angry

                So if anyone has for some obscure reason got a 4 1/4 taper please let me know.

                Nick

                Ouch

                That said you could put a piece of rod in a 3 jaw chuck and turn it to a point. Every time you took the rod out and put it back in you would need to turn a new point to get rid of any run out though.

                The lathes I have had have either been too tiny to have a piece mounted on the saddle or hadn't had T slots in the saddle. That explains why I never thought of flycutter and boring head.

                #215385
                John Stevenson 1
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                  @johnstevenson1
                  Posted by Nick_G on 06/12/2015 23:50:04:

                  .

                  I would if I had one for turning between centers with a catchplate and dog.

                  Trouble is some bright spark numptie at Boxford decided it would be a good idea to make the taper in the headstock a non-standard Morse 4 1/2 taper.! sad

                  They will gladly sell me one that reduces to a No.3 but want £115 plus VAT for them.! angry

                  So if anyone has for some obscure reason got a 4 1/4 taper please let me know.

                  Nick

                  .

                  But then if they had only put a MT3 in there in the first place you would be whinging that you could only get 3/4" up the spout

                  #215389
                  Nick_G
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                    @nick_g
                    Posted by John Stevenson on 07/12/2015 00:55:49:

                    But then if they had only put a MT3 in there in the first place you would be whinging that you could only get 3/4" up the spout

                    .

                    I ain't saying that.

                    A 4 or better a 5 would have been more logical. ……….. Make me a 4 1/2 and I will give you a bag of jelly babies and a box of Pontefract cakes. wink

                    Nick

                    #215390
                    John Stevenson 1
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                      @johnstevenson1

                      Gimme some sizes of a 4 1/2 ?

                      Got a drawer full of oddball sleeves but going to have to be more than one bag of jelly babies

                      #215392
                      Thor 🇳🇴
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                        @thor

                        I have an ER collet chuck with MT shank that fit my small lathe, and I sometimes use the ER chuck to hold short work pieces or end mills.

                        Thor

                        #215401
                        JasonB
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                          @jasonb

                          Nick put a bit of bar in your 3-jaw and turn a 60deg point on the end, don't remove until after the job is done, drive the dig off the side of a chuck jaw.

                          I often do as above so the taper may only get used a couple of times a year for a boring head or flycutter when machining castings on the cross slide.

                          #215404
                          john carruthers
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                            @johncarruthers46255

                            Depending what jobs come in I might use the mt3 spindle taper with Morse collets every day for a week, then not for a month.
                            Made an adapter to take little Jacobs type chucks too so it earns its keep.

                            #215416
                            Nick_G
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                              @nick_g
                              Posted by John Stevenson on 07/12/2015 02:31:52:

                              Gimme some sizes of a 4 1/2 ?

                              Got a drawer full of oddball sleeves but going to have to be more than one bag of jelly babies

                              .

                              smiley

                              Nick

                              #215423
                              ega
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                                @ega

                                Apart from occasional turning between centres on the Myford, I do sometimes use the Radford disc-facing device which employs the headstock taper to locate supports for thin discs held in the chuck which can then be faced to fine limits.

                                On my larger lathe I have an MT adapter for the Myford chucks, again very useful on occasion.

                                #215424
                                Anonymous

                                  To answer the original question: once in 12 years when turning my traction engine crankshafts between centres, using a MT3 centre in the 5-3 adaptor that came with the lathe.

                                  Andrew

                                  #215425
                                  pgk pgk
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                                    @pgkpgk17461

                                    I also have a MT5-3 adapter and use the MT3 ER32 from my mill in the lathe.

                                    #215429
                                    Vic
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                                      @vic

                                      Never.

                                      #215431
                                      Clive Foster
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                                        @clivefoster55965

                                        After around 8 years of ownership I have yet to use the MT taper adapter in my current lathe headstock. But being a Smart & Brown 1024 VSL it is bored for direct fit 5C collets which I use on a very regular basis. I have full sets in imperial by 1/32 intervals and metric by 0.5 mm intervals. Pretty much the same with its predecessor, a D1-4 spindle SouthBend Heavy 10, which came with a reasonable selection of 5 C collets but no adapter. Around £300 to import a new adapter direct from SouthBend (the lathe itself only cost £550) but in retrospect worth it for the amount of use over 15 years ownership. For simple bar work I do prefer a collet despite having a selection of excellent condition chucks.

                                        Clive.

                                        #215432
                                        Michael Cox 1
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                                          @michaelcox1

                                          I use the headstock Morse taper sometimes.

                                          I make MT2 tooling for my mill. I usually make the taper in the lathe, holding the work in the chuck. I then remove the chuck and fit the taper , with an MT2 to MT3 adaptor in the headstock and then machine the business end of the tooling. This ensures concentricity of the tooling with the taper.

                                          When gear cutting I mount the gear blank in the lathe headstock using an MT2 to MT3 adaptor and an MT2 to ER32 adaptor. I can then machine the blank to size with good concentricity to the taper. Once the blank is machined I can remove the taper from the headstock and transfer it to the MT2 tapered hole in the centre of my rotary table on the mill for cutting the teeth. After cutting the teeth it can be transferred back to the lathe for de-burring.

                                          I also have an adjustable stock that fits into the headstock taper for making multiple parts all the same size.

                                          Mike

                                          #215435
                                          Ajohnw
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                                            @ajohnw51620

                                            I don't use mine much at all. On the other hand I came across a Myford owner that made and sold model aeroplane engines. He used it a lot. Jigs built onto the end of morse taper arbours.

                                            John

                                            #215436
                                            colin hawes
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                                              @colinhawes85982

                                              Very rarely. I cant remember the last time I used the headstock taper; I always do as Jason says and trim a homemade soft centre in the chuck to ensure it is as true as possible. Such a centre is best made with a shoulder to eliminate the possibility of it being pushed into the chuck (belt & braces). Colin

                                              #215438
                                              Howard Lewis
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                                                @howardlewis46836

                                                The table of MT sizes will be useful for some of us, sometime!

                                                The MT socket in my lathe's Headstock is used for:

                                                Trimming centres that others have mangled.

                                                Turning centres for use in other jobs, (Such as extension centres to aid centering work in a 4 jaw chuck).

                                                With ER collet holders for small round pieces.

                                                Modifying soft arbors to make other tooling, (Arbors for Slitting Saws, or Shell Mills etc)

                                                Turning between centres

                                                Carrying a Myford thread chuck for smaller jobs,

                                                With Sleeves, for carrying work that will be transferred to the Rotary Table.

                                                A useful feature, and, IMHO, probably better than a parallel bore for both alignment and certainly grip.

                                                Howard

                                                #215443
                                                Farmboy
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                                                  @farmboy

                                                  As a long term viewer of the forum, and very much a novice, I thought it was about time I joined in.

                                                  I seem to be in a very small club, as someone who actually uses MT collets in the headstock. It must surely be the most rigid setup for fly cutting and other milling cutters, for those of us without a mill – yet.

                                                  Mike.

                                                  #215445
                                                  Speedy Builder5
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                                                    @speedybuilder5

                                                    My Boxford AUD has a MT 3 on the spindle, used a boring head in it just last month – see album.
                                                    BobH

                                                    #215446
                                                    John Stevenson 1
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                                                      @johnstevenson1

                                                      The TOS lathe which has been in daily use for the last 18 years from new still has the adaptor sealed in wax.

                                                      The only thing I do fit in there is a home made one that is tapped 1/2" Whit for a depth stop bar. Only reason it's 1/2" Whit is i have a big legacy of Whit threaded rod and holding clamps from when Erricsons Telephones, later Plessy was in business.

                                                      Thanks for the table, saved and printed out. Will check later.

                                                      I do believe that there is also a short MT4 and short MT5 for spindles as well ? I'll measure what I have and do a list.

                                                      Probably the best dimension is just the large end, everything else has to carry on.

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