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    Brian Rutherford
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      @brianrutherford79058

      Hi all

      Newbie here so go easy on me. I have bought this lathe recently hardly used and about 2 years old. I thought the feed rates were high so I checked the installed gears. They are as the table on page 14 of the manual and therefore feedrate should be 0.0025 thou per Revolution which is the finest feed. Unfortunately when I engage the feed and rotate the chuck one Rev the dro reads nearly 8 thou. Thinking the dro might be wrong I checked it with a Dti and I get the same reading. Tried doing 10 revs by hand and It still works out at 8 , 16 , 32 thou per Rev depending which position the switch is in either C A or B.

      Is the manual wrong or am I missing something ?

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      #12920
      Brian Rutherford
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        #288530
        JasonB
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          @jasonb

          Sounds like you have a gear or two in the wrong place, can you post a photo of te gear train and also the page in teh manual.

           

          You are using the lever with the black end to engage feed not the metal one on the right of the apron

          Edited By JasonB on 12/03/2017 20:25:20

          #288608
          Brian Rutherford
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            @brianrutherford79058

            Hi jason, not sure what sure what you mean I am using the right hand metal lever which engages the longitudal traverse then rotating the spindle by hand. Cannot see a lever with a black end unless you mean the direction switch on the headstock.

            Did a bit of research last night and have concluded that with the gears fitted I worked it out that one turn of the spindle should rotate the lead screw by .127 of a Rev. Turning the spindle 8 times equals 1 full reveloution of the lead screw. I am assuming the pitch of the 1/8" . Lathe is imperial so this seems correct so far.

            Will post pics later.

            #288620
            JasonB
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              @jasonb

              Your 250V-F should be similar to my 280V-F. Black lever down for facing cuts across the lathe, up for turning along the lathe. Silver lever for screw cutting.

              Screwcutting runs straight off the feedscrew so larger movement, feeds go via a gear reduction in teh saddle so less movement.

              250vf.jpg

              #288634
              Brian Rutherford
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                @brianrutherford79058

                Hi Jason on the wm250 the cross feed is the same lever in the up position. To engage the x axis feed its the same lever as the screw cutting on the 280. Screw cutting is the same lever.

                The selector switch gives you 1:2 1:1 and 2:1 ratios for the feeds. This confirms the calculations I made yesterday.

                This is not the same as the figures in the manual.

                #288637
                JasonB
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                  @jasonb

                  I was going by the thread title where you said a 250V-F which is what that photo is, this has the power cross feed which obviously can't be engaged with the same lever as screwcutting/lengthways feed.

                  #288638
                  Brian Rutherford
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                    @brianrutherford79058

                    image.jpegPhotos of the gears and page from manual now in my albumimage.jpeg

                    #288639
                    SillyOldDuffer
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                      @sillyoldduffer

                      Hi Brian,

                      Jason got in first with his picture, but I was going to offer this one which is from the WM250 picture in Warco's Brochure

                      wm250.jpg

                      Are you able to publish a picture of your lathe? It should reveal all, especially if you don't have the lever marked 'THIS ONE'!

                      Dave

                      #288640
                      JasonB
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                        @jasonb

                        That manual you have posted also has cross feeds shown so can't be for a WM250question

                         

                        Can you also post a photo of front of headstock which will say teh model and the front of the saddle which will show what levers you have

                        S.O.D, I also snipped my photo from Warco's catalogue

                         

                        Edited By JasonB on 13/03/2017 14:59:05

                        #288676
                        Brian Rutherford
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                          @brianrutherford79058

                          The model is WM250V-F. It was made late 2014 . It does have power cross feed . Handle is silver not black. One handle for cross feed and one for lateral feed. It is identical to the one on warcos website. The gears that are installed are as shown in the manual to give a feed rate of .0025" the finest feed. Actual feed is just under .008.

                          Either the manual is wrong or the gears are installed incorrectly. This is how they were supplied from Warco as the previous owner only used it for a bit of polishing. There wasn't, even any swarf on the lathe when I bought it and I haven,t changed them

                          #288677
                          JasonB
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                            @jasonb

                            The gear train looks correct in your photo

                            Try the lever we have been pointing to in the down position, you will have to move it side ways before it drops down from the mid position.

                            I'll upload a photo of a VF manual that shows lever positions after my dinner which is just ready

                            #288686
                            JasonB
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                              @jasonb

                              Right just tried it with my 280 which although not quite the same gave more movement when the screw cutting lever was used than when the lateral feed lever was used.

                              Basically the gear train as you have said will give 0.127of a turn input into the headstock gearbox per 1 rev of the spindle. Selecting "C" will give a 2:1 reduction comming out of the box into the lead screw so 0.0.0635 of a turn .

                              With the 8 tpi spindle you will get 1/8" (0.125" )travel per turn of the leadscrew therefore 0.0635 x 0.125" = 0.008" when the carrage is driven by the leadscrew which is what you have measured

                              As I mentioned above the carrage can either be moved by engaging the half nut onto the leadscrew (righthand lever) in which case it will move teh 0.008" per spindle turn.

                              OR there is a permanently engaged wormwheel which via assorted gears drives a shaft which has a rack cut in one end. This rake is driven by a pinion on the feed lever (black or metal knob, middle of apron) so when the lever is raised the drive shaft engages with other gears that drive the cross feed leadscrew. When the same lever is lowered the rack moves the shaft the opposite way and engages with gears on the handwheel shaft which in turn move the carrage along via the large rack screwed to the front of the bed. These gears give the further reduction in movement that you desire.

                              From a 250VF manual

                              250vf lever.jpg

                               

                              You can also see from the parts diagram in the pdf manual of the apron how the half nut is engaged by the R/H lever and the feed lever engages the gears.

                               

                              J

                              Edited By JasonB on 13/03/2017 18:38:29

                              #288688
                              Brian Rutherford
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                                @brianrutherford79058

                                Hi Jason, Now I feel like a right lemon!

                                I never realised the same lever is used for both feed directions and have been useing the screw cutting lever. Well three things I have learnt from this. How to calculate gear trains, read the manual first and three what a helpful bunch you all are!

                                Checked the feed rate and it is indeed 0025" per Rev.

                                By the way nice to see a PDFs manual on here, mine is that dark I can't make out the letters on the photos

                                Thanks to all that replied

                                #288691
                                JasonB
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                                  @jasonb

                                  No problem, good to know you are sorted.

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