Windows 10 Anniversary Edition – Any Experience Yet?

[Grizzly bearParticipant @grizzlybear]

On the last Win10 update, about a week ago, it managed to stop Norton AV working. Giving error code 8504,104

Have uninstalled it, and installed a new one. Got the headache, free download!

Regards, Bear..

[Gordon WParticipant @gordonw]

Why are we all accepting this stuff from windows ? I've had lots of help and advice but I don't understand most of it. I'm going to have to pay to get this machine fixed, and no doubt it will start again. We would not accept this from any other supplier.

[Frances IoMParticipant @francesiom58905]

I wouldn’t worry about losing Norton as its reputation is not great.
However as many Linux users point out Microsoft has a 30 year reputation for sleazy practices – why do you think they have changed now?

[Cyril BonnettParticipant @cyrilbonnett24790]

The update to windows broke Flight simulator X , so I finally got around to have a go at fixing it and stuck the disks in and reinstalled it, Fine worked okay, following night switched notebook on and whoa a blue screen announcing "Error Code: 0xc0000034 in Windows 10 – Boot Configuration Data file missing required information"

Mmm tried to repair windows which threw up 'couldn't continue' so out comes my pen drive with a live copy of Linux and have a look at the file system, both disks were unmounted. A quick look on the net and there have been loads of people suffering the same or very similar problem's.

Most suggested a clean install of Windows 10 and just accept the loss of data. I removed the SSD drive which is just used as a cache, copied all the data from the C disk using the live Linux to another external drive and then attempted to fix the laptop, I did succeed to get it working but found that the flight sim folder seemed to have disappeared along with the boot configuration files.

But it worked! but much slower, before it booted up in about 30 seconds, with the fix it took up to two minutes or longer and started randomly with either of the two accounts I had on it.

Then last Saturday evening, as many others have reported the fix failed and up came the BCD error again.

I then reformatted both drives and reloaded windows.

The godsend is live Linux, I once 'rescued' a former employers computer with Linux after he loaded a dodgy 'free' office program! I then taught him how to make backups as he had all his business on one hard drive with no backups!

Microsoft have seen the success of Google and are trying to turn their operating system into something along the lines of android that along with the drive to control what you can load onto your computer, my HP notebook has windows 8.1 embedded in the bios!

My old dell laptop runs Linux and has done so for a long time without any problems.

I note that our latest world beater super hospital still shows Windows XP Professional on its computer screens!!!!

 

 

Edited By Cyril Bonnett on 14/10/2016 19:03:01

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Posted by Sandgrounder on 12/10/2016 19:09:45:

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 12/10/2016 18:42:05:

Posted by Sandgrounder on 12/10/2016 10:19:18:

it's now running W10 Home version 1511 and although I have used it quite a bit recently as far as I am aware I have never had any updates at all.

I'm on 1607… do you have an internet connection?

Neil

Yes it's always used on the internet, I only use it for going on the WWW, there's nothing I do with it that's off line at all.

John

'twas a jest – you have to be online to use the forum!

Neil

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Posted by Cyril Bonnett on 14/10/2016 19:02:23:

I note that our latest world beater super hospital still shows Windows XP Professional on its computer screens!!!!

It wasn't that long ago I was at a railwyay station and the train arrivals screen was showing, if not this, something very similar:

[SamsarandaParticipant @samsaranda]

When I read this column about Windows and constant problems I am glad that four years ago I took the liberating step of buying an IMac and ditching Windows, what a difference it made no more computer or software problems. Apple systems are a world apart from Microsoft, I can hand on heart say that since I unpacked my IMac it has been trouble free, recommend anyone to take the plunge and change, no connection with Apple just a very satisfied user.

[KWILParticipant @kwil]

Where are these WIN10 problems? "Updates" notify themeselves and the laptop proceeds to take them forwards, starting and restarting as required. When done all runs without hesitation. Just need to check the Cortana type questions etc.

[Enough!Participant @enough]

Posted by 12 Bore on 14/10/2016 22:14:15:

Apple systems are a world apart from Microsoft,

 

Apple has its moments too. The latest ios update now requires that instead of swiping to get to the security login screen you have to press the Home button (often twice). That button is arguably the least reliable component of an ipad/pod/phone. (At least judged by ads for used devices on Craigslist/Kijiji where its not uncommon to see "Home button doesn't work but …… "   ). Now Apple has increased its usage significantly. Oh well, I guess you can always buy another iPad if it fails.

On my regular-size iPad, I'm resisting the update but Apple is nagging me to death …..

Edited By Bandersnatch on 15/10/2016 00:51:56 to remove bogus smiley

 

Edited By Bandersnatch on 15/10/2016 00:52:55

[SandgrounderParticipant @sandgrounder]

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 14/10/2016 19:56:01:

Posted by Sandgrounder on 12/10/2016 19:09:45:

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 12/10/2016 18:42:05:

Posted by Sandgrounder on 12/10/2016 10:19:18:

it's now running W10 Home version 1511 and although I have used it quite a bit recently as far as I am aware I have never had any updates at all.

I'm on 1607… do you have an internet connection?

Neil

Yes it's always used on the internet, I only use it for going on the WWW, there's nothing I do with it that's off line at all.

John

'twas a jest – you have to be online to use the forum!

Neil

I must have been half asleep, so obvious when pointed out, it's started today off well with a laugh though.

John.

[SamsarandaParticipant @samsaranda]

In reply to Bandersnatch and his comments I did refer to an IMac, a proper computer, not an iPad or iPhone, there is a difference, the IMac is much more stable.

[VicParticipant @vic]

I do wonder about some folks. I have seen a (well used/abused) iPad with a dodgy home button but my four year old iPad three is fine and so is my wife's iPad four. I don't think you can allow for hamfistedness. We're not on the latest OS on our six year old iMac as Apple keep posting security updates but every Major OS upgrade we've done has been without any issues. Given all the comments folks have been making about Win 10 I'm glad I don't have to use Microsoft products anymore. I did see an article the other day about loading Linux on old Macs so I may do that just. For fun when we replace our old iMac. I can't remember the version but there are at least two versions of Linux that seem to look and act very much like the Mac OS.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Vic on 15/10/2016 16:37:16:

I do wonder about some folks. I have seen a (well used/abused) iPad with a dodgy home button but my four year old iPad three is fine and so is my wife's iPad four. I don't think you can allow for hamfistedness.

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My 'original iPad' was purchased within a couple of weeks of the launch, and used on a daily basis until [in May this year] the battery showed signs of failing … aside from that, it has been faultless.

… It is now semi-retired.

For daily use, I have replaced it with an iPad Pro 9.7" which is now on iOS 10

MichaelG.

[VicParticipant @vic]

What's the pro like? I'm torn between the air 2 and the Pro when mines due for replacement.

[Enough!Participant @enough]

Posted by Vic on 15/10/2016 16:37:16:

I do wonder about some folks. I have seen a (well used/abused) iPad with a dodgy home button but my four year old iPad three is fine and so is my wife's iPad four.

So do I. I have an original iPad (and until recently a mini) and an early touch as well as recent models of each and their switches are fine. Nonetheless, the components of these devices with the lowest mtbf are the mechanicals particularly the switches. It's a statistic – it doesn't mean that any older model you look at will have a defective switch.

But it doesn't make sense for Apple to change the operating procedure so that the use of these components is significantly increased – and for no obvious reason. (Other than potentially more sales as machines fail?)

And, in effectively forcing these upgrades on users by means of interminable nags, Apple is no better than Microsoft who simply go ahead and update without asking (Win-10)

I'm no apologist for Microsoft but neither am I for Apple. Both are companies that are ruthlessly driven in favour of their bottom lines. They let neither customers' wishes nor well-being (or for that matter laws and regulations if they can skirt them) get in the way of that objective. To me, anyone who thinks of either one as a Hyde to the other's Jekyll is deluding themselves.

Edited By Bandersnatch on 15/10/2016 22:42:18

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Vic on 15/10/2016 19:14:42:

What's the pro like? I'm torn between the air 2 and the Pro when mines due for replacement.

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The Pro is superb in almost every respect, but I'm not convinced by the 'True Tone' feature … It's supposed to compensate for the colour temperature of the ambient lighting, but the response seems rather exaggerated to me.

… Thankfully that feature can be turned off.

Frankly though; the display always seems a little more 'Ivory' than 'White' … therefore not harsh on the eyes; but maybe incapable of rendering a 'brilliant white' … I can only suggest that you have a good look at one before deciding.

The 'Pencil' is amazing … even if Steve Jobs must be turning in his grave.

MichaelG.

[VicParticipant @vic]

Posted by Bandersnatch on 15/10/2016 22:40:06:

Apple is no better than Microsoft who simply go ahead and update without asking (Win-10)

I can't agree with that. Apples upgrades have always been far less controversial than Microsofts as far as I'm concerned. Where I used to work the sidegrade from XP to Win 7 caused real problems for large numbers of staff as did MS office. Over a couple of hundred staff I'd say thousands of hours were lost getting to grips with it. No such problem with the two Mac networks.

[Russell EberhardtParticipant @russelleberhardt48058]

As this thread seems to have turned into a Windows vs OSX vs Linux thread I think light hearted comparison might be of interest:

**LINK**

Russell.

[Enough!Participant @enough]

Posted by Vic on 16/10/2016 10:27:05:

Posted by Bandersnatch on 15/10/2016 22:40:06:

Apple is no better than Microsoft who simply go ahead and update without asking (Win-10)

I can't agree with that. Apples upgrades have always been far less controversial than Microsofts as far as I'm concerned. Where I used to work the sidegrade from XP to Win 7 caused real problems ….

Very possibly, Vic, (like I said, I'm not an apologist for either company) – but a non-sequiteur in terms of my point that both companies effectively force upgrades (of whatever quality) on users whether or not they want them.

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

My daughter's just rung up with a tale of woe. After a friend updated to Windows 10 her D: drive reports it is completely full. Which wouldn't be so bad if all the files on it hadn't disappeared as well. C: is fine.

[Enough!Participant @enough]

Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 16/10/2016 17:22:38:

My daughter's just rung up with a tale of woe. After a friend updated to Windows 10 her D: drive reports it is completely full. Which wouldn't be so bad if all the files on it hadn't disappeared as well. C: is fine.

If it's the Windows 10 upgrade from a previous version, the installation program saves a copy of the the previous version (window.old). Normally (I think) that would be done on the C-drive but if there isn't room there for it (in addition to the new Win-10 install), it might well attempt to put it on the D-drive if there appears to be room.

The actual size of this copy is probably not totally predictable up front so it might be possible to fill up the D-drive and perhaps corrupt the filesystem in doing so. Don't know what she can do in the absence of a previous backup. The saved copy of the previous Windows version is likely toast but a chkdsk (or other more potent app) might fix the filesystem enough to get the original D-drive contents back.

Edited By Bandersnatch on 16/10/2016 18:38:43

[mechman48Participant @mechman48]

Tried getting on to Elmer's engine steam plans web site to look at free plans but keep getting 'Internet error' …. something to do with 'malfunctioning ad on' would any one with a spare 5 minutes try & get onto his site & see if they have same error & let me know before I try to contact him as it may be some thing on his end…

**LINK**

TIA

George.

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Thanks Bandersnatch.

Windows 10 itself was OK on the C: drive, it was just D: and a load of data files that got whacked.

Seems the problem was due to the virus checker running amok after the upgrade, presumably not allowing access to anything on D: whilst it was away with the fairies. Daughter spotted the virus checker because it was using massive amounts of CPU.

De-installing the virus checker and replacing it with another one fixed the problem. Having feared the worst the computer owner was delighted to get her files back.

Dave

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

George,

Your link works fine on my iPad … 'though I can't get any further because the site is Flash-based.

You may need to update to the latest version of Adobe Flash.

MichaelG

[mechman48Participant @mechman48]

Thanks Michael G, have checked my action centre & according to it I have the latest version' also according to Win 10 it auto updates flash player plus looking on Adobe website I have the latest version so can only try again later.

G

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