Elliott 14m shaper

[ronan walshParticipant @ronanwalsh98054]

[ronan walshParticipant @ronanwalsh98054]

There is an elliott 14m shaper for sale not too far from me. I did have my eye out for an Elliott 10m, but there are not many shapers around. Does anyone have a 14m ? I'd like to know how much space the larger machine takes up.

[vintagengineerParticipant @vintagengineer]

http://www.lathes.co.uk/shapers/

[Anonymous]

According to my manual the floor space needed is 1589mm x 797mm and the net weight is 787kg. You may need extra space to ensure you have clearance for the ram at the extremes. You don't want anything in the way; it'll just punch straight through any obstacle.

Andrew

[ronan walshParticipant @ronanwalsh98054]

Thanks all. Andrew, thats a lot of space to me, maybe i would be better off waiting for a 10" shaper to come along.

[Rik ShawParticipant @rikshaw]

Ronan – Good luck in your search. I have the Alba 1A which is more or less identical to the Elliot 10M. I use mine a lot – great fun!

Just a tip – The correct speed for the motor should be somewhere around 900-950 RPM. If however, the speed is higher (say 1500 rpm) it will still be OK but the shaper will work a little faster. My single phase four pole motor runs at 1500 from memory but is still very usable except that its to fast to use the shaper with top speed knob engaged.

So in a perfect world you want to see a single phase six pole motor running at 900-950 or a three phase motor controlled by an inverter.

Be prepared for a lump – even the 10" machines weigh approx 1/3 of a ton.

Rik – (Just loving the pointlessness of a CNC conversion)

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[Clive FosterParticipant @clivefoster55965]

Ronan

Don't know if you have the Elliot 10M manual to hand but according to mine the corresponding dimensions for the 10M are 1118 mm x 609 mm and net weight 330 kg. Call it 4 ft, 2 ft and 1/3 rd of a ton. Holding the tape up against mine makes it clear that the 14M is, in practice, much, much bigger and takes a good deal of space to accommodate. The 10M is still, just, in the slot in size range. I find pretty much everything useful in the shop needs a generous 3 ft or so from the wall.

My 10M runs very nicely from an inverter drive. Even though it has an effective clutch I feel much happier with a nice slow start. Given the propensity of even a small shaper to punch inadequately secured things across the workshop my nerves aren't really up to going off at full speed.

Clive.

[Anonymous]

Posted by Rik Shaw on 22/02/2017 18:10:28:

Just a tip – The correct speed for the motor should be somewhere around 900-950 RPM. If however, the speed is higher (say 1500 rpm) it will still be OK but the shaper will work a little faster. My single phase four pole motor runs at 1500 from memory but is still very usable except that its to fast to use the shaper with top speed knob engaged.

So in a perfect world you want to see a single phase six pole motor running at 900-950 or a three phase motor controlled by an inverter.

Interesting; the manual specifies the synchronous motor speed as 1500rpm. My 18M came without a motor so I fitted a 3-phase 4-pole, 4hp motor.

Andrew

[Ady1Participant @ady1]

Two of us lifted mine in by hand about two years ago

Two years later, I won't be lifting it out by hand

[Rik ShawParticipant @rikshaw]

Andrew – Not sure which manual you have but I have to rely on an Elliot 10M version which I downloaded. I still cannot find an Alba 1A version for download. Unlike your manual, the Elliot 10M gives the motor speed as 1000 RPM.

Rik

[Anonymous]

My manual is for the following:

Elliott 14M, 18M, 24M, 14MR & 18MR

Invicta 2M, 4M, 5M & 6M

Andrew

[ronan walshParticipant @ronanwalsh98054]

Elliot, alba and invicta, were these three separate companies, or were the designs passed around or sold to each company ?

[Clive FosterParticipant @clivefoster55965]

As I understand it Alba was the original design for smaller shapers and Invicta for larger ones. Elliotts commonly sold machines from companies "whose output they completely controlled" under both the original brand and the Elliott name. Generally once the market for the original models began to die off production was rationalised under the Elliot name.

The Elliott group was um "complicated". Probably the nearest thing to a short guide is :- **LINK** .

As I understand matters Elliott started out, like Herbert, as aggressive machine tool suppliers. Typically they would begin as selling agents for a company and take advantage of any financial opportunities to become sole agents followed by getting a controlling interest and eventually taking full ownership. Presumably having become full owners they followed the Staveley route of running down and rationalising factories to extract money whist killing the original firm.

I imagine some of the oddities reflect the difficulties of properly integrating acquired companies into a single group management in the pen and paper era. Probably easier to just let the working bits of your new toy run along pretty much as is and introduce changes with new models.

Clive

[Precis POOLParticipant @precispool77141]

Hi Guys,

I am in Melbourne, I have a nice Elliott 14S Shaper, Just wondering what it worth? Any help would be appreciated,

Cheers Precis for Melbourne!

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