BF20/G0704 DRO mounting

[Thaddeus Swarfburn IIIParticipant @thaddeusswarfburniii]

Recently purchased an "SNS-3V" DRO from our friends at the website that rhymes with "shmalleyshmexpress". Looking at my options for mounting the scales. So far those suggested on this website seem to be best: **LINK**

He has his X scale mounted on the front of the table. I was pretty set on the back of the table until I realised it would likely mean the removal of the table, which I'm not keen to do just yet. I would also have to modify the ways cover and haven't come up with an elegant way to do that. I didnt want to lose the table stops but then again, I've never used them on the Bridgeports at work in twelve years so…

Where have you mounted yours?

My machine is a BF20LV purchased here in NZ.

[Thaddeus Swarfburn IIIParticipant @thaddeusswarfburniii]

Where’d you put the scales?

[John HinkleyParticipant @johnhinkley26699]

When I fitted glass scales and DRO to my Warco VMC mill, I made a slotted rail to go over the X-axis scale so that I could retain the travel stops as well as the power drive limiting stops. See the photo below. It may give you some idea of how I acheived it. ( The power feed limiters are the bits that look a little like railway buffers and the travel limit stops are the black button-like parts. )

I should add that, in the two years that the DRO system has been fitted, I've never used either the travel stops or the power feed stops and I have removed both in prparation for a house move and don't intend to replace them when the mill is reinstalled at the new place. The DRO is perfectly adequate for the accurate positioning and machining up to a pre-determined position, I've found. Just my view, mind.

John

[Thaddeus Swarfburn IIIParticipant @thaddeusswarfburniii]

That's a nice clean install John. Did you bend up the scale cover or was it supplied? Mine came with covers but they're half again as wide as they need to be.

[Paul LousickParticipant @paullousick59116]

I have an RF-45 (clone) milling machine and wanted to keep the front of the table clean and be able to use the table stops. The mill when purchase was coverred in a sticky protective grease which meant the dis-assembly of the table slides. This was not a problem and allows you to inspect all of all parts.

While the table was removed, I drilled and tapped holes for mounting the DRO scales. A special bracket was made for the Y-axis scale. The supplied scale covers were modified slightly. This installation still allowed for the full travel of the Y-slide.

Paul.

[John HinkleyParticipant @johnhinkley26699]

Thaddeus,

The scale covers are as supplied, save for the short vertical section that abutts the table. I had to reduce that by about half, so that it didn't protrude above the top surface of the table.

John

[Thaddeus Swarfburn IIIParticipant @thaddeusswarfburniii]

So I had another look with the intent on mounting it on the front of the table, and it looks like not only do I lose the stops but also complicate access to the gib clamps, which I can forsee myself wanting to use. I can probably remove the plastic handles and just use a nut driver to reach them, but this would also mean trimming the scale cover down to the point where it's hardly worth installing. I may just do this and if and when I take the table off swap it to the back. I think the right answer now is to just "get 'er done" and do something else if it doesn't work!

What's the general consensus on covers for the scales? It doesn't seem as if the X is that vulnerable to swarf or coolant, though the way I plan to mount the Y axis scale (on an angle, as in the link in my first post) it looks like swarf could get between the scale and head.

[Enough!Participant @enough]

Posted by Thaddeus Swarfburn III on 04/02/2018 08:22:48:

So I had another look with the intent on mounting it on the front of the table, and it looks like not only do I lose the stops but also complicate access to the gib clamps, which I can forsee myself wanting to use.

 

Yes and yes. OTOH, if you mount it at the back you lose table travel. (Mine's mounted at the front).

If you are careful with your mounting you can mostly regain the use of the gib clamps by extending their screws. I never really used the stops so they were no great loss to me. However, I do have a power feed which uses the same slot for limit switches – which the dro covers up of course. So I …. er …… wing it.

Edit: Covers (missed that bit).

My experience is that this topic is a bit over-emphasised. That's not to say you can ignore it but it's never been (for me) the difficult problem that many seem to think. Common sense and reasonable precautions. DROs are more tolerant than you might think.

Don't ignore simplicity if you want practical, as opposed to spiffy-looking. The best cover I ever used was simply a piece of polythene sheet taped above the top of the scale and draped over it. Probably worked better that any hard-fashioned device since you could give it more coverage and had the advantage of not crashing into such things as gib lock screws.

Edited By Bandersnatch on 04/02/2018 17:27:21

[Clive FosterParticipant @clivefoster55965]

When I fitted a DRO system to my Chester Lux style mill many years ago I reworked the stop system to make it shallower using an ordinary hex head bolt instead of the cap head provided. I left a space between the edge of the table for access to the adjustable stops and hex-head set screw for the which replaced the standard Bristol style handle on the lock. Changed the hand wheel for a folding type with a longer boss to win little more space. From memory the hand wheel only needed to be moved out about half an inch, maybe touch less, to find space for everything.

Space for spanner can be seen in the picture. Only just enough vertical space for the glass scale above the slipways and hand wheel boss. These days I'd go magnetic every time on a small machine.

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Unlike Bandersnatch I used the X stops a lot on that machine. My normal practice was to mill with X axis whenever possible, setting the stops when verifying clearances and travel. This may have been because I frequently found table travel limiting. I now have a 49" table Bridgeport and almost never use the stops.

Clive.

[Dave HalfordParticipant @davehalford22513]

Just make sure you can't crash the scale end stops, it gives you wallet pain.

[Paul LousickParticipant @paullousick59116]

Hi Clive,

My mill looks like a later version of yours and sold in Australia as a HM-45 (RF-45 clone). Glass scales will fit at the rear of the table with a few mm to spare between the cover and the mill column.

Paul.

[JonParticipant @jon]

Mines on an RF45 known as many others inc Chester Super Lux, Warco and many others.
Short table on yours Clive, mine did have a true 23 3/4" X travel now around 21 1/2" with power feed.

Trust me you will need the bed locks and mounting on the front negates that.
Stops may be ok to do using the originals, just pull away the scale to tighten up in place.
Power feed stops on mine use hex head screws so could go in vertically with an open ended spanner but painfull.
Also means cant fit a proper power feed with trips on front T slot with any access, mine has 34mm stand off.
So far that means inner scale would have to be min 35mm stand off plus an extra 2" for covers. Means handle Y axis handle goes underneath the outboard scale remotely approaching full width of travel.

For me additionally i have an 8" RT, dividing plates drop down below the T slot and only have around 3/4" to do so just clearing the one end stop!

Its actually easier to fit on rear, four or five drill and taps, fit and away you go. Been 13 years.
If fit on front it has to be beefy with the stand off even more so with the reader. I did a compare some years back on the errors factory cheap vernier type scales have using supplied mountings. Though seem rigid can have an easy 0.26mm error, mouting out board will amplify any flex or movement which defeats the object. Got piccies some where.

Wish the magnetic were around when i did mine and would have gone inside along the lead screw, best of both worlds but hard to fit.

[Thaddeus Swarfburn IIIParticipant @thaddeusswarfburniii]

Just finished a big day in the shed and got the final axis done. I've posted an album here **LINK**

I ended up not using any of the scale covers but will mount some rubber roofing scraps on the X and Y axes to keep swarf away. Very pleased with the result but fiddly clocking up the scales over and over with no power feed like the mills at work. I've been spoiled by big boy toys! I've already started researching driving stepper motors with Arduino. Was only planning the X axis but my injured shoulder that's not getting better is on the same side as the Z crank.

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