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  • #498258
    Nick Clarke 3
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      @nickclarke3

      Needing some for the day job, is 3/16 (or metric equivalent) cast iron bara commercial product?

      Through a scientific equipment supplier it is silly money so am looking to see if an alternative is available

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      Nick Clarke 3
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        @nickclarke3
        #498261
        Stuart Bridger
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          @stuartbridger82290

          25mm seems to be the smallest diameter stocked by most suppliers

          #498264
          Rik Shaw
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            @rikshaw

            If I wanted cast iron that small I would find myself an old fire grate basket and turn down some of the bars.

            Rik

            #498266
            Speedy Builder5
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              @speedybuilder5

              I seem to remember having that stuff at School, experiment to show how steel expands and contracts on cooling. A bar was heated between a couple of fixed points, a test piece of cast iron was slipped into an eye of the bar at one end and as the bar contracted on cooling, it would snap the test piece.

              #498270
              Circlip
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                @circlip

                Can't get into scrap yards anymore, sash weights must be breathing a sigh of relief. Do you know anyone with a broken machine vice???

                Regards Ian.

                #498273
                JasonB
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                  @jasonb

                  I've never seen 3/16" sash weights and not seen CI bar sold in smaller than 25mm

                  #498276
                  Circlip
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                    @circlip

                    Well turn it dear Elmer dear Elmer well turn it dear Elmer dear Elmer turn it!

                    Ian.

                    #498282
                    Brian Wood
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                      @brianwood45127

                      Circlip,

                      What a heap of cast iron turnings that would create bringing a sash weight down from about 35 mm diameter to a little under 5mm while at the same time hoping it isn't full of inclusions and holds together while you are working on it.

                      It is a curious requirement anyway and even in sound material it will be about as fragile as egg shell in that size.

                      I doubt you could machine it successfully over a length beyond an inch or so. Maybe Nick's scientific supplier is quite right to charge properly for such material!

                      Brian

                      #498283
                      Nigel Bennett
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                        @nigelbennett69913

                        3/16" cast iron would present great difficulty in manufacture, as it would chill spectacularly and you'd end up with something ferrous that would snap if you looked at it. It would also be extremely difficult to machine. It's simply not practical to make it. Having said that, if some multi-national wanted to produce it by the mile, they'd find a way of doing it.

                        So I'm afraid you're going to be knee-deep in cast iron dust!

                        #498288
                        Nick Clarke 3
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                          @nickclarke3

                          I seem to remember having that stuff at School, experiment to show how steel expands and contracts on cooling. A bar was heated between a couple of fixed points, a test piece of cast iron was slipped into an eye of the bar at one end and as the bar contracted on cooling, it would snap the test piece.

                          and:-

                          3/16" cast iron would present great difficulty in manufacture, as it would chill spectacularly and you'd end up with something ferrous that would snap if you looked at it. It would also be extremely difficult to machine. It's simply not practical to make it. Having said that, if some multi-national wanted to produce it by the mile, they'd find a way of doing it.

                          Is exactly what I would like to use it for, but not at £12 for 6×2" pieces

                          #498294
                          Pete White
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                            @petewhite15172

                            I went to a poor school, no snapping of cast iron there. We had a bar between fixed supports,with a threaded end, the strongest lad in the class would tighten the nut, after heating a slight slender girl would then come on stage and tighten the nut more with ease. You would have to pick the participant differently these day of course and do a full risk assessment due to the heat. laugh

                            I remember it well,I was that lad, reined by self confidence for years. lol

                            Pete

                            p.s. now we have the whole horse to ride, can I suggest that it doesn't have to be cast iron?

                            #498299
                            Frances IoM
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                              @francesiom58905

                              does it have to be round – I have a couple of feet of 6″ by 1″ cast iron which was easy to get though relatively expensive as compared to steel – saw off 5mm or so then slice on a mill or saw into square section ?

                              #498301
                              Nick Clarke 3
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                                @nickclarke3
                                Posted by Pete White on 28/09/2020 14:37:24:

                                p.s. now we have the whole horse to ride, can I suggest that it doesn't have to be cast iron?

                                The issue is that it has to be something that doesn't break according to the children's perception, so no plastic, glass or ceramic and that doesn't leave a lot that appears to be unbreakable and strong, but where there is sufficient force as the bar expands or contracts to snap the sample.

                                #498303
                                Brian H
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                                  @brianh50089

                                  Cast iron welding rods are available in 6mm; the problem will be getting a small quantity, unless you need a box full!

                                  Brian

                                  #498307
                                  Nick Clarke 3
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                                    @nickclarke3
                                    Posted by Brian H on 28/09/2020 16:30:40:

                                    Cast iron welding rods are available in 6mm; the problem will be getting a small quantity, unless you need a box full!

                                    Brian

                                    I didn't realise they were cast iron – I thought they were high nickel steel

                                    #498308
                                    Brian H
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                                      @brianh50089

                                      Cast iron can be welded with either a nickle filler of an S.G. iron one.

                                      SIF seem to do S.G. iron rods in either 6 or 10mm

                                      Hope that helps

                                      Brian

                                      #498311
                                      not done it yet
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                                        @notdoneityet

                                        I would expect a short length of suitably heat treated high carbon steel would fail with a suitably sudden and noisy mode of failure?

                                        Maybe there might be a few flying fragments, safety pecs and behind a screen for them and also some for you should suffice. Care with safety is possibly one reason for the high price of basically a shear pin. Do you pour cold water over the heated bar to speed things up?🙂

                                        Sleight of hand is a good ploy for experiments such as this – distribute rusty examples of annealed pins for some to try and break, but use a ‘hard as glass’ pin in the experiment.

                                        I used to do the same with a challenge of catching a small rod as it fell through and out of a copper pipe. The magnet had to look like the rod.🙂

                                        Edited By not done it yet on 28/09/2020 16:54:45

                                        #498315
                                        Frances IoM
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                                          @francesiom58905

                                          another source of cast iron is brake pads – just looked at a set of 4 I bought for a ?1 at auction in case I could use them looks about 10mm slab bonded to the steel carrier – maybe local garage can supply some worn pads

                                          #498317
                                          JasonB
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                                            @jasonb

                                            I would not have thought a SG Iron rod would break like a grey iron one.

                                            The experiment should work with say 25mm long rod which would not be hard to turn from some sliced up larger good quality grade 260 bar

                                            #498406
                                            John Reese
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                                              @johnreese12848

                                              I have a large amount of cast iron welding rod (R-CI). It is about 3/16" dia. The finish is sand cast and the halve are slightly offset (mold mismatch). I don't see how they could be used for anything but welding. If you need a smooth cast iron rod I suggest you find a larger diameter and set up a hollow mill on the lathe to reduce the diameter.

                                              #498434
                                              Circlip
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                                                @circlip

                                                Nul Points Francis IoM, for lateral thinking, too subtle. Are you sure the pad linings aren't sintered? Had a clutch plate and brake pads on my Guzzi, wore a bit more quickly than the normal but stuck like the proverbial.

                                                Wonder how many slices to turn from a sash weight? Doh.

                                                Nick Clark 3, how about another couple of numbers? We know the diameter but not the length or quantity, every little helps.

                                                Regards Ian.

                                                #498474
                                                Paul Lousick
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                                                  @paullousick59116

                                                  Sash weights may be a cheap source of CI but they are normally made from cheap material and contain lots of cavities and impurities. The outer surface is often very hard and difficult to machine.

                                                  Paul.

                                                  #498481
                                                  Brian G
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                                                    @briang

                                                    I wonder if "glass hard" silver steel might break under the bending load?

                                                    Brian G

                                                    #498484
                                                    Jeff Dayman
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                                                      @jeffdayman43397

                                                      Depending on how many rods are needed, it might be worth talking to a foundry that makes large iron castings. When they vent large sand castings with vent wires to allow trapped air steam and gases to escape, the iron often fills the vent cavities in the sand to make "wires" of cast iron projecting off the castings. Usually not such large dia as 3/16 but if you ask they may be able to oblige and make you some "wires".

                                                      Not sure how machinable such wire would be, could be chilled, could have a lot of sand inclusions picked up from the vent openings in the sand. Just food for thought.

                                                      Some time ago I saw a TV program showing such a foundry in I think Cornwall UK making Royal Mail post boxes and parts for Aga cookers among other things. This may help track a foundry down, I hope.

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