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    Ady1
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      @ady1

      I have been looking at making small parts recently and ran into a jewellery lady whilst being towed around by my better half one afternoon recently

      She used one of these to make jewellery and they go up to around 1100 degrees C and it was sitting there on a desk, about the size of a very thick book

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      They are about 300 bananas a pop and look like they could be handy for case hardening various engineering bits and bobs which need it

      Anyone in here ever used anything like this before?

      As a resident in a built up zone and with no garden I don't really fancy having gas bottles and open forging hearths etc in my garage kinda thing

      Edited By Ady1 on 22/04/2015 09:56:10

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      #7586
      Ady1
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        @ady1
        #187355
        JA
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          @ja

          Ady1

          Please could you give details of the furnace – make and model. I have always believed a furnace is a better option than a propane torch for silver soldering and heat treatment.

          JA

          #187359
          Ady1
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            @ady1

            I've seen a couple of different types, my own purchase would be an ad-hoc grab whenever funds permitted

            There was one, from Germany, advertised on a well known site and it had a regulator which I would say is essential for decent outputs, it went for just over 200 quid

            It just seemed like a far more convenient route for case hardening, simply plug it in.

            #187360
            David lawrence 3
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              @davidlawrence3

              I have a smaller oven which was and still is sold for enamelling jewellery. cost around £ 80.00 some 20 years ago. from Walsh and sons in Hatton Garden , London. I use it for heating tools for my fly press to harden etc. handy item just plug into the mains and it gets to around 850' C in about 45 mins.

              #187391
              Bazyle
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                @bazyle

                Paragon are the top name. There is a whole range of different sizes for enameling and glass processing (not the same as glass blowing). My sister got one with a high top temp and I immediately thought of annealing cast iron. However the glass hobbyinsts are very particular about avoiding contamination of the lining so I was told to keep my distance.

                #187417
                Roderick Jenkins
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                  @roderickjenkins93242

                  I had a few goes at bidding for similar furnaces to the one ADY1 shows. I ended up buying one of these.

                  This one has the advantage of digital temperature control, just set the temp on the electronic display and it stays there to within +/- 1C ( I've checked it , settles down very well once set point has stabilised). Temperature controllers for the ADY1 type are a rather expensive extra. I'm very pleased with mine – I have successfully annealed some hard spots in cast iron – it would have been nice to have been able to set a cooling ramp but that is not possible with the built in temperature controller. I just manually dropped the temp by 100C every hour. Great for hardening, tempering steel and for heat treating copper beryllium springs.

                  Cheers,

                  Rod

                  #187424
                  Johnboy25
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                    @johnboy25

                    I've been collecting conponents to build a small induction heater for heat treating small parts and smelting silver for jewellery. For maximum power for the design I have, I need 40V at 20A – I'm looking at two SMP power supplies (with blocking diodes) wired in parallel.

                    Nothing to report yet but if anyone interested I share any results I find.

                    John

                    #187432
                    JohnF
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                      @johnf59703

                      Andy, I have one used for some 30 years now for various ethnic heat treatment jobs, just one point when considering it for case hardening, be sure you consider the size of the pot or box you will use not the component.

                      You need room around your component for the carburising compound and then room around the box of say 1.5" min and bit more if possible.

                      Regards John

                      #187434
                      Ady1
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                        @ady1

                        You need room around your component for the carburising compound and then room around the box of say 1.5" min and bit more if possible.

                        Regards John

                        I was actually thinking of bringing it up to temperature, red heat or whatever, then pluck it out and drop/dunk it into an oily bath

                        Then leave to cool off naturally

                        …theoretically speaking…

                        Edited By Ady1 on 23/04/2015 03:32:54

                        #187541
                        JohnF
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                          @johnf59703

                          Ady that's OK if it's a through hardening steel but if it does not have enough carbon then you will need to case harden. Don't forget to temper after hardening to suit the job in hand

                          Edited By JohnF on 23/04/2015 22:14:55

                          Edited By JohnF on 23/04/2015 22:26:02

                          #187546
                          Ady1
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                            @ady1

                            Only a thought but that colloidal graphite I mentioned in another thread…

                            Dunk it in that stuff for a while… then cook it in the kiln?

                            As I say, only a thought

                            #187553
                            Michael Gilligan
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                              @michaelgilligan61133

                              Some useful notes here, Ady

                              … and here, using a tube packed with Carbon Black.

                              MichaelG.

                              Edited By Michael Gilligan on 24/04/2015 06:06:15

                              #187560
                              Clive Hartland
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                                @clivehartland94829

                                This was discussed some time back, I have had good results just heating up to red and putting it into a container of leather pieces, re-heat and quench, it did the job. Later thoughts were to make a metal box, welded with a lid and immerse the part/parts inside with the leather pieces cut very small. It came out looking flame hardened.I am not sure about the collodial graphite? nor carbon black.? has anyone used these items to case harden? What results did they get. I do have Kasenit which I guard with my life (Original)

                                Clive

                                #187565
                                Michael Gilligan
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                                  Posted by Clive Hartland on 24/04/2015 09:16:57:

                                  not sure about the … carbon black.? has anyone used these items to case harden? What results did they get.

                                  .

                                  Clive,

                                  I have not used it myself, but the gentleman that recommended it to me is a tutor at the British School of Watchmaking.

                                  MichaelG.

                                  Edited By Michael Gilligan on 24/04/2015 09:35:27

                                  #187570
                                  Clive Hartland
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                                    @clivehartland94829

                                    Hi Micheal, I wonder if he was after the many coloured flame hardening that you see on the old watches, I will have to research this a bit and find out more. I have found that some watch parts in steel are over hardened and break. being small parts they have problems of their own when hardened.

                                    Clive

                                    #187575
                                    Michael Gilligan
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                                      @michaelgilligan61133
                                      Posted by Clive Hartland on 24/04/2015 10:00:43:

                                      I wonder if he was after the many coloured flame hardening that you see on the old watches

                                      .

                                      Not specifically, Clive

                                      This was just general purpose technique

                                      …. have a look at the second link on my early-morning post.

                                      MichaelG.

                                      #187596
                                      Bazyle
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                                        @bazyle

                                        Leather is traditional but introduces a bunch of undefined chemicals. All you need is carbon like crushed charcoal from a bonfire, a container to both hold and keep out air eg a bit of conduit or food tin using fire cement to plug holes. Garden lime mixd in produces CO2 when heated to push out air to reduce oxidisation. The cheap source of charcoal makes it expendable so better than anything commercial and the whole package can be quickly broken and dunked to qquench.

                                        #187627
                                        CotswoldsPhil
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                                          @cotswoldsphil

                                          I needed to case harden the tiny ratchet pawls for the oiler on my Minnie Traction engine. I used bone-meal (from the local garden centre) packed around the components in a short length of thin walled tube and heated the package for about 10 minutes, before quenching.

                                          Did it work, I think so… a week or so later, I needed a bit of 1/16th mild steel for something else, so found a bit in odd's and sods tin and put in the mill. The 3/8 end-mill would not touch it – I had previously done a test with some bits of MS and somehow consigned them to the odd's and sods tin!

                                          Phil

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