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    michael howarth 1
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      @michaelhowarth1

      Best buy CCTV systems

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      #382842
      michael howarth 1
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        @michaelhowarth1

        With things as they are vis a vis a depleted service from the police I am thinking of beefing up household/workshop security. I have the standard Chubb/multipoint locks/alarms fitted but CCTV systems look to be at a reasonable price these days and might provide good deterrence.

        My problem is that I haven't got a clue about what features and specifications I should be looking for.

        Any recommendations?

        Mick

        #382843
        David Colwill
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          @davidcolwill19261

          A few things to bear in mind.

          1) Most CCTV cameras are fairly low definition, so yes you do get to know when you got broken into but working out who did it may not be so easy.

          2) Burglars know to cover up when they know that there are cameras.

          3) Having too many cameras can make it very tedious to find any usable information.

          My preference is for a couple of wide angle cameras covering general areas (front garden, back garden and path for example) and then to have concealed cameras in likely places. Near doors / windows where they are going to have a go at getting in. These should be well lit at all times and be set so that a good image of the persons face is captured.

          Regards.

          David.

          #382845
          Alan Wood 4
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            @alanwood4

            I would suggest there are three levels of choice – low cost imported systems the like of which you see in CPCs mailshots, conventional analogue systems with connectivity either by coax or by wifi and the more professional systems that are digital based and connect with CAT5 cabling.

            The lower cost systems might just have one camera that can feed into your house TV.

            The CAT5 systems carry the digital video data and the power over the CAT5 cable so it is an easy install with one connection. The base router accepts all the cables into it and provides a recording facility, local monitoring facility or a viewer via a smartphone wherever you are.

            The analogue systems usually need a power source local to the camera and then bring the video back either on coax or wifi. They also have a base router, recorder and local monitor. Many of these also have remote monitoring on a smartphone.

            Both analogue and digital systems will have some form of movement detection on areas that you define on each camera picture and with adjustable sensitivity. The digital cameras seem less prone to false alarms.

            Have a look at COP-EU to get some ideas of what is professionally available but they do not show prices unless you are a registered dealer with them. Look at **LINK** which is a local supplier that I have used who does not seem to have an axe to grind and will give you a fair assessment of what you ought to go for.

            No association with COP or QCCTV. Hopefully between the two you will get on the way to a solution.

            I have an 8 camera digital system at home and it is very reassuring when we are on holiday to be able to see what is going on inside and outside the house and workshop via smartphone if only to see the sun shining at home and the rain pouring down where we are.

            Alan

            #382846
            Neil Wyatt
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              @neilwyatt

              Cheapest solution is an old camera phone and an IP camera app. if you are after a real recorder and not a deterrent.

              Of course have both – big cameras outside, hidden ones where they will drop their guard.

              N.

              #382847
              Danny M2Z
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                @dannym2z

                I have a few of these installed around the house **LINK** No recorder required and they even phone you and transmit video when motion is detected in the area under surveillance.

                I installed a few for a friend on his farm and soon identified the neighbour's son who was pinching his diesel fuel at 0230 Hrs. The IR means a b&w picture but it shows reflective number plates up nicely. (The lad wore his hoodie with a recognisable logo anyhow, it's a small community)

                Something like this should be available in the U.K.

                * Danny M *

                #382849
                pgk pgk
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                  @pgkpgk17461

                  When i lived in south london I installed extensive CCTV at both my home and clinic. One ocassion we had a car vandalised at home and another time a bicycle stolen from the garage. When the Police finally turned up (1 & 2 days later) they bluntly stated 'If you don't know who they are we're not going to find them'. When the clinic was broken into it was by a stolen fire extinguisher used to smash through toughened glass by a hoodie-wearing job. Police didn't even turn up that time..just gave me a crime number and a letter saying 'sorry you were a victim of crime'. The towrag got a whole £15 in cash – the float from the till- and did several hundred pounds worth of damage to get it.

                  I've even heard it said that security lights just help the burglars see what they're doing and no-one bothers looking if an alarm goes off in town. Society has gone feral.

                  pgk

                  #382853
                  Tony Pratt 1
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                    @tonypratt1

                    From personal experience CCTV provides bugger all deterrent.

                    Tony

                    #382857
                    Rik Shaw
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                      @rikshaw

                      Mick

                      High def cameras with good quality imaging are these days both cheap and plentiful. To avoid complexity though I would recommend buying and installing a kit comprising camera/s and a recording device (NVR) – of which ebay for instance display multi choices.

                      I tried doing it using wifi cameras and free software on a PC but it did not suit me and I would not recommend it. My 1080 IP HD cams are branded PRIKIM and I use one of these for storage:

                      f:0″>https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HiWatch-By-Hikvision-4-Channel-4MP-IP-Network-NVR-CCTV-Recorder-H-264-NVR-104-A/202242425532?hash=item2f169682bc:m:mkgVYltdqKFeR-67I5vh8Vg:rk:57f:0

                      It’s not a kit I know but I had the cameras already. Choose to connect your cams directly to the NVR by Ethernet cable rather than wirelessly if you want to keep things simple

                      Rik

                      #382858
                      Ian S C
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                        @iansc

                        A mate was having trouble with intruders in his yard, and installed motion sensor lighting, that got triggered, but they were gone by the time he got outside, so I removed the lights, and plugged in an extension cord to a radio inside the house. When the radio came on in the wee small hours the intruder was not disturbed until my mate went out and caught him trying to drain some petrol from the car. The Police were informed in the morning, but he has never had any problems since then, 10 15 years ago.

                        Ian S C

                        #382863
                        Rik Shaw
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                          @rikshaw

                          "From personal experience CCTV provides bugger all deterrent."

                          Sorry to hear that Tony but straight from the mouth of a DI quite recently after a nearby break in the best deterrents in order are:

                          Visible alarm system

                          Visible CCTV

                          Large noisy dog

                          Rik

                          (I suspect Tony Martin would like to add to the above list!)

                          #382866
                          Nigel Bennett
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                            @nigelbennett69913
                            Posted by Rik Shaw on 29/11/2018 10:42:52:

                            Sorry to hear that Tony but straight from the mouth of a DI quite recently after a nearby break in the best deterrents in order are:

                            Visible alarm system

                            Visible CCTV

                            Large noisy dog

                            Rik

                            You putting yourself up for this as a deterrent, Rik? How much do you charge?

                            #382881
                            Jon
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                              @jon

                              Get yourself a dog, nothings able to pass other side of road day or night.

                              Probably looking at a deterrent, lqst 16 years round here it took them 3 days to come out for a citizens arrest had to let them go. Any videos worthless ot dont do their job. Not to mention last time they came from 30 mile away and next job on 20 odd mile towards where they came from 2hrs travelling and wear and tare wasted of tax payers dosh how inefficient.

                              Expect i would get a good response now from two teams, theres a marker on the property.

                              #382882
                              Zan
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                                @zan

                                Can you explain all that please Jon? It makes no sense at all

                                #382900
                                Farmboy
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                                  @farmboy
                                  Posted by Tony Pratt 1 on 29/11/2018 10:13:41:

                                  From personal experience CCTV provides bugger all deterrent.

                                  Tony

                                  Yes, that's been my experience too. And unless you have high-res cameras and floodlights so you get a decent colour image at night they are little use for identifying the intruders.

                                  The last time we had night-time intruders in the yard the CCTV recorded their entry but the IR pictures were no use for ID purposes and they then ripped the camera off the wall before removing several vehicle batteries. angry 2

                                  #382901
                                  Fowlers Fury
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                                    @fowlersfury

                                    Everyone has a different tale to tell about break-ins, value of deterents etc. Police response to recorded crime on vids seems to vary widely. One force sent a guy who could identify details from a low-res b&w vid with unbelievable accuracy leading to subsequent arrest. Other forces are just totally dimissive these days as others report above.
                                    There's an interesting vid on YouTube showing a house breaker being interviewed in prison. Yes, it's American and it goes on at length but it seems genuine and is quite enlightening about alarms, cameras etc.
                                    **LINK**

                                    #382916
                                    Journeyman
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                                      @journeyman
                                      Posted by Tony Pratt 1 on 29/11/2018 10:13:41:

                                      From personal experience CCTV provides bugger all deterrent.

                                      Tony

                                      High definition CCTV got me a new front wall when a Tesco delivery van collided with it. Sent a couple of stills to the claims department showing the van index plate at the moment of destruction and received an almost instant e-mail saying they would send someone round to measure up.

                                      Worth having I think. If nothing else you can see what's happening outside without curtain twitchingwink

                                      John

                                      #382918
                                      michael howarth 1
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                                        @michaelhowarth1

                                        Loads of stuff to have a look at there, gents. Thank you very much.

                                        Mick

                                        #382919
                                        Harry Wilkes
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                                          @harrywilkes58467

                                          I have CCTV in my workshop and as a result of upgrading my system I fitted a new camera HD 1080 in daylight the quality of the picture is very good however a night with infrared lighting it's not so good. I'm thinking of turning on the lights when the door is opened, so the point I'm making if you do fit one make it a good one.

                                          H

                                          #382922
                                          Neil Wyatt
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                                            @neilwyatt
                                            Posted by pgk pgk on 29/11/2018 09:57:04:

                                            I've even heard it said that security lights just help the burglars see what they're doing

                                            Burglars love security lights, saves them having to wait for full moon.

                                            Neil

                                            #382931
                                            Robert Butler
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                                              @robertbutler92161

                                              CCTV a complete and utter waste of money for reasons previously mentioned. I speak as a commercial Insurance Broker with 47 years hands on experience.

                                              Robert Butler

                                              #382947
                                              Farmboy
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                                                @farmboy
                                                Posted by Neil Wyatt on 29/11/2018 16:22:44:

                                                Posted by pgk pgk on 29/11/2018 09:57:04:

                                                I've even heard it said that security lights just help the burglars see what they're doing

                                                Burglars love security lights, saves them having to wait for full moon.

                                                Neil

                                                Lack of illumination has never been a deterrent to the b@$***s round here angry but the neighbour with the snarling rottweiller on a long chain never seems to have intruders teeth 2

                                                Mike.

                                                #382959
                                                larry phelan 1
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                                                  @larryphelan1

                                                  For what it,s worth,

                                                  I have two dogs roaming free around my site. They dont mind anyone coming in,but it,s a different matter when they try to leave.!

                                                  The word seems to have got around !

                                                  Call the cops ? forget it,you might as well call the Pizza Man,chances are he would get to you !wink

                                                  #382977
                                                  DMB
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                                                    @dmb

                                                    Bbc1 sometimes has a burglary prog from 11.am and I have seen some victims with cctv put it on social media, usually resulting in umpteen phone calls naming some local Herbert. Police apparently take action when presented with such info.

                                                    Another thing, don't use "beware of the dog" notices – far too common and I suspect often used when there is no dog!

                                                    I use something rather more subtle but will not say what as I believe secrecy = security.

                                                    #383048
                                                    Barnaby Wilde
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                                                      @barnabywilde70941
                                                      Posted by DMB on 29/11/2018 21:20:57:

                                                      Another thing, don't use "beware of the dog" notices – far too common and I suspect often used when there is no dog!

                                                      Please don't use such a sign if you value your dog. Regardless of the 'circumstances' you have a duty of care towards anyone who may come into contact with your dog. If your dog then bites them, both you & the dog are in trouble, the dog perhaps more so.

                                                      If your dog bites someone, in whatever circumstances, you have a possible defence of not knowing your dog is/was likely to attack, your dog has never displayed aggressive behaviour before & such behaviour is totally out of character.

                                                      By displaying a sign such as 'Beware of the Dog' you have thrown this possible defence away. It is taken that you had fore knowledge enough to warn people.

                                                      Much better to display 'I Live Here'.

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