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This topic has 21 replies, 14 voices, and was last updated 26 January 2014 at 15:38 by Cornish Jack.

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23 January 2014 at 14:56 #23096
Cornish Jack
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23 January 2014 at 14:56 #141474
Cornish Jack
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G'day all.

At long last in long-term temporary house and dealing with the post 'surge' damage, particularly the workshops (sorry, hobby sheds).

Apart from the ridiculous amounts of accumulated 'stuff', most of it has been recovered from some 6 weeks of immersion in sea water or lying around in a damp atmosphere. Rather a lot of rust and while the Myford, D-W, Fobco et al have gone off for a bit of tlc, there are lots of smaller objects with varying amounts of rust. Question is … dump or derust? Not at all certain that I shall go back to ME involvement as much as previously and, at 78, not hugely keen on spending hours with wire wool and 3in1 or stirring a big container of diesel full of milling cutters etc.

Opinions sought and welcomed

Rgds

Bill

PS for Michael Gilligan – two of the items are the Pultra slides … and they look AWFUL!
23 January 2014 at 15:40 #141476
Lambton
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Ideal candidates for electrolysis.

look the process up on the net there are lots of useful sites. This is a much used method in the USA.

I have used this safe and effective method of removing rust from ferrous metals for years. No great physical effort is needed just clean off grease etc. and hang the item in the electrolysis tank then let low voltage a weak washing soda do the rest.

Eric
23 January 2014 at 16:21 #141480
Russ B
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Posted by Cornish Jack on 23/01/2014 14:56:18:

stirring a big container of diesel full of milling cutters etc.

Wouldn't the cutters dull as they rumbled around against each other

Electrolysis sounds like the easiest method, maybe a dip in a water soluble degreaser (Jizer?) before hand.
23 January 2014 at 17:05 #141484
John Billard
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Could I add a word of condolence. Its is bad enough having workshops etc flooded but the house etc must be very difficult and long term as well.

I hope that things are not too bad and that you and your family are back to normal as soon as possible Bill.

Kind regards

John B
23 January 2014 at 17:08 #141485
Oompa Lumpa
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Well, for what it's worth, this is my take.

Shortly after I found this forum I read on here about using Citric Acid to remove rust. This I thought, was a load of old cobblers. Plenty of Amperage in Caustic Soda I say!

How wrong I was. I have been waiting for a question like this just so I can report back. All you need are a couple of plastic buckets and some Citric Acid powder, sprinkle on, add water, come back a day or so later. I cleaned some VERY rusty Router Cutters this way very recently and I am delighted with the result. The issue with the Electrolysis route is that you are likely to rust up everything around you whilst derusting the contents of the tank/bowl. The Citric Acid route is much less aggressive.

Don't get me wrong, I really think electrolysis has a place, but for day to day derusting of mundane items, it will be the Citric Acid way by me.

graham.
23 January 2014 at 17:50 #141488
MICHAEL WILLIAMS
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Hi Bill ,

Various people have described desrusting by means of cement cleaning fluids etc and have reported good results .

Legend has it that CocaCola will remove slight rust and leave a pleasing dull finish . I’ve never tried it but there are traces of Phosphoric acid in some can drinks and Phosphoric acid is basis of some commercial derusting fluids like Jenolite so idea is at least plausible .

Take the bigger and more agricultural items to an engineering establishment or garage and have them any of pressure washed , agitation washed in Gunk , steam cleaned , vapour blasted , shot or grit blasted .

On non functional surfaces remove as much rust as is easily possible , degrease and then paint with rust tolerant paint such as Hammerite . It’s not such a big job then to hand finish the remaining functional surfaces .

Regards ,

MikeW
23 January 2014 at 17:58 #141489
Sub Mandrel
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I understand that with electrolysis and phosphoric acid they convert the rust to compounds with similar dimensions to the original steel, whilst acids just remove the rust. Which you choose will depend on the degree of pitting that is acceptable. I have restored morse tapers to an acceptable finish with electrolysis followed by oiling.

Neil
23 January 2014 at 19:11 #141497
Cornish Jack
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Many thanks to all. I like the sound of Citric acid – mainly 'cos I'm an idle sod and Michael W's suggestion re the engineering route is already in train.

John B's condolence is much appreciated – and, yes, the recovery process is quite lengthy. Just in general interest terms I'll try to post a piccy of the result of the 'surge' on my second shed and its rather unconvential resting place!

Rgds

Bill
23 January 2014 at 23:29 #141528
Cornish Jack
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As mentioned …

This shows (large slab centre right approx) where the shed lived normally.

and this where it ended up, perched on the remains of the wall it destroyed on it journey. It was 'secured' by two strong tie ropes and 4 very long screws through the concrete slab base!

SWMBO and self were rescued from the very small bathroom window on the far end of the (just visible) upper floor. Moral – don't underestimate the power of Nature in a bad mood!!

Rgds

Bill
24 January 2014 at 09:33 #141552
Russell Eberhardt
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S**t – that's terrible Bill. I feel for you and send my best wishes.

Russell;
24 January 2014 at 10:35 #141554
Hopper
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Heartbreaking pictures, absolutely heartbreaking. I can see why you don't feel like faffing about with steel wool and 3-in-1 for weeks on end. You will have enough work about the place to be done without all that.

Whatever you do though, don't dump anything. Somebody somewhere would take it off your hands and do the work to make it useful again so they can use it.
24 January 2014 at 10:36 #141555
John Billard
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Just a question Bill. Was your workshop etc covered by insurance? I could not get my normal house insurer to "understand" my workshop so I transferred to Walker Midgley.

Kind regards

John B
24 January 2014 at 15:26 #141566
GaryM
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I think you have all our sympathies Bill. I'd be devastated. All the forum can do is offer support and encouragement, but if everyone on here lived within a few miles of you then you can guarantee there would be a working party round there sharpish.

Gary
24 January 2014 at 15:42 #141567
Mark P.
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Sorry to hear of your disaster Bill,hope you get things sorted out soon.

Whilst on the subject of corrosion removal has anyone got any ideas for cleaning up corrosion from aluminium brake calipers? I remember from when I was in the aircraft industry we used a product called Deoxodine 624,this killed corrosion on ally but I can't find a similar product for home use.

Regards Mark P.
24 January 2014 at 16:11 #141569
Cornish Jack
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Thank you all for the kind thoughts … exactly Hopper!. JB – yes, apparently it was covered, as was the main shed (garage). Certainly not going to dump major items but almost unbelievable quantities of 'that'll come in handy one day' type things have gone in the skip already! Much more to be sorted through and, dependant on decision-making may well appear here as 'Sale Bargains'

Rgds

Bill
24 January 2014 at 18:07 #141574
Michael Gilligan
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Bill,

Sorry, I've only just opened this thread

Thanks for thinking to advise me.

… I will send you an eMail.

MichaelG.
24 January 2014 at 18:07 #141575
Sub Mandrel
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HI Bill,

I admire your ability to deal with such an upheaval in such a level headed way. My Dad was one of the Royal Engineers who helped clear up after the big flood in the 50s. He was a motorcycle outrider clearing the way for the convoy through London, but he still struggles to describe how terrible what they found when they got to the East Coast was.

I hope this doesn't become the end of your model engineering – I suspect not!

Neil
24 January 2014 at 18:35 #141577
Michael Gilligan
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Bill,

For the more precious items, try using that Steel Wool in conjuction with a 50/50 mixture of Paraffin Wax and Liquid Paraffin. This mixture is commonly prescribed to help those with skin complaints, and your Dispensing Chemist would probably be happy to sell some to you.

… Unless, of course, all that Sea Water has upset your skin enough to need it on [free] prescription

MichaelG.
25 January 2014 at 10:20 #141626
Ian S C
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Mark P, I think you are looking for phosphoric acid, after that, spray or brush self etching primer, after washing with water. Ian S C
26 January 2014 at 09:39 #141714
OuBallie
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Hello Bill,

Cannot imagine what you and family went through, vasbyt.

Most important that nobody hurt.

My method of de-rusting is to use a mix of 4:1 water and molasses.

Just done a handful of rusty calipers and after a week in the mix, stirring daily as the molasses settles, they came out with not a speck of rust on them.

A rub over with one of those Garryflex abrasive blocks, to remove any left on stains, and they are a bright as new.

I've got citric acid powder but never tried that method.

Geoff – Drawer organising marathon extended. What can I say?
26 January 2014 at 15:38 #141748
Cornish Jack
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Thank you Geoff – the molasses method sounds interesting. Will go for the citric acid first as it sounds a little faster but maybe the molasses mix residue could be fermented for a 'different brew'

More standing in the wind and rain tomorrow picking through yucky bits and pieces – 'dump, keep, dump, keep, etc.' Why doesn't Nature have its spiteful days in the Summer? Hey Ho!

Rgds

Bill
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