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  • #508305
    alex murphy
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      @alexmurphy41620

      Hi, I am about to shift to tig welding from mig and was hoping if any one can tell me about a fine tig welder I just weld on occasion and looking for something portable and under $1000. suggest me other than everlast or chinese made

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      alex murphy
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        @alexmurphy41620
        #508328
        Pete.
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          @pete-2

          You used dollars, so I'm assuming you're in North America?

          What's available where you are will be completely different to what's available here, other than big names like Lincoln etc..

          #508332
          Steviegtr
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            @steviegtr

            I have the Thermal arc AC/DC Tig unit which is very good. I believe the Esab is the same unit. The cheaper ones i am afraid are made in the east like the Parweld, but seem to get good revues.

            It takes a little time to get used to using a foot controller but worth the time to learn. It gives you time to concentrate on the weld better.

            Steve.

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            Edited By Steviegtr on 18/11/2020 23:00:16

            #508394
            Ian Parkin
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              @ianparkin39383

              Steve

              do you do much aluminium welding with that welder?

              ian

              #508397
              JasonB
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                @jasonb

                I'm going to lock this thread as I think Alex wants to weld the top back onto a tin of spam.

                #508576
                JasonB
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                  @jasonb

                  Thread open again, Alex is from the US but elsewhere in the world at the moment.

                  #508580
                  John Olsen
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                    @johnolsen79199

                    You will have to do your own research about what is available in the US, since although the same units may be available where I am in NZ, they are quite possibly sold under different names. You may also find that what you think is a US made unit actually began it's life in China, or at least most of the parts did. The main thing is to buy from a reputable seller who will back their product, as also applies with the lathes and mills.

                    I bought my TIG welder a bit over a year back. I went a bit higher in price than I had originally intended. I don't regret this since it meant I got a unit with HF start and with AC and pulse facilities. My original plan was to be able to weld stainless, for which AC is not needed, but as I looked into things, the relatively small increase in cost to have the AC facility and be able to weld aluminium seemed worthwhile. I am now very glad that I did, I have welded quite a lot of aluminium. Similarly the HF start is very good to have. I'm not an expert welder by any means, so anything that makes it easier is a good thing. I have successfully welded copper plumbing tube.

                    Most commonly available TIG welders will also do stick, this may not be important to you since you already have MIG, but is a useful thing for anyone who will only have one welder. I have found that the DC stick welding is great, my very amateur welding is so much better now.

                    Portable is a relative thing, any of the inverter welders is going to be more portable than an old style AC buzz box. My TIG unit is big enough that I splashed out on one of those trolleys for it, with a place for the gas bottle on the back. Even with the bottle I think it is still lighter than the old AC unit. Remember that the gas mixture for TIG is not the same as for MIG. The TIG uses straight argon, unless you want to spend more and use helium.

                    There are a couple of guys on Utube doing videos about TIG, they seem to mostly be US based so they might give you some idea of the sort of gear available there, as well as providing some good how-to advice.

                    John

                    #508587
                    Steviegtr
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                      @steviegtr
                      Posted by Ian Parkin on 19/11/2020 09:42:27:

                      Steve

                      do you do much aluminium welding with that welder?

                      ian

                      Yes i do. That was the main reason for going for the hf A/C version. I have welded most of my adult life. All kinds of materials , but not alloy. So now i have done alloy. It is tricky to get used to. The heat soak through Aluminium is so fast. You have to get in there & out as fast as poss. Some clamp to a heat sink to help. My 1st few attempts were terrible. But since i have wired in a foot cotroller & learned to set max amps before i start.

                      Things are a little better now. I should have started practice on some 1/4" plate, but started on some 16 guage sheet that took some time knowing how high to set max amps on. When i did get a good weld it was very pleasing. I found probably due to old age , that i need to rest my torch hand on a spot i can pivot round on, so i can concentrate on keeping the gap correct.

                      Anyone starting down this road, i would highly recommend going on youtube. There are a few guys mainly in the states that are pro's. Amazing how precise there weld runs are. I watched loads before starting with the Alloy.

                      Steve.

                      #508589
                      Steviegtr
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                        @steviegtr

                        I forgot to say, with Tig half the battle is to get the settings exact.

                        Gas flow pressure, Tungsten size & stickout, Gas cup size. Ramp up & down times. Flow pressure & pre flow purge. If welding tube then internal gas purge is required to stop oxidization on the inside. AC balance to get the oxidized layer to break away. Look on youtube it's all there. Good luck.

                        Steve.

                        #508600
                        Colin Heseltine
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                          @colinheseltine48622

                          Steve,

                          I bought a Jasic Pro 200P ac/dc TOG welder recently. Struggled with thin Ali sheet and got bit better when moved to 1/8" Ali plate. I struggled seeing what I was doing and bough a true colour vizor and use a some 2x magnification cheat lenses. This helped a lot. Need a hell of a lot of practice. Have MIG and O/A but would like to get a lot better with the TIG. Trouble is need time.

                          Colin

                          #508623
                          Steviegtr
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                            @steviegtr
                            Posted by Colin Heseltine on 19/11/2020 22:02:40:

                            Steve,

                            I bought a Jasic Pro 200P ac/dc TOG welder recently. Struggled with thin Ali sheet and got bit better when moved to 1/8" Ali plate. I struggled seeing what I was doing and bough a true colour vizor and use a some 2x magnification cheat lenses. This helped a lot. Need a hell of a lot of practice. Have MIG and O/A but would like to get a lot better with the TIG. Trouble is need time.

                            Colin

                            You are spot on with your comments. I have vari-focal glasses & have to take them off when welding. I have a pair of x2 boots cheapo glasses & use them. I spent some time adjusting the settings on the welding screen & now feel it is better. The problem with amateur Tig welding is you need your face so close to the work to gel with the welding . If you know what i mean.

                            In a nutshell it is a very steady hand of which i no longer have. A good sharp tip on the tungsten, a correct distance continually. So many parameters that have to be just spot on.

                            Then you go on Youtube & there is a guy doing a full positional weld , all the way round a tube. Amazing to watch. Good luck & practice makes perfect.

                            A few years ago with my old Chinese DC Tig i used to modify a lot of stainless motorcycle exhausts for things like high level etc. I could do a very good run of weld all round. I thought i would be able to do the same with Alloy, but not enough practice yet.

                            Steve.

                            #508673
                            Ian Parkin
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                              @ianparkin39383

                              Ive had a dc esab tig welder for some time and i can do an acceptable weld on MS and stainless

                              but a few weeks ago bought a rtech welder as championed by doubleboost on YT

                              what a steep learning curve alloy is

                              I’ve used up a full 9 litre of argon and still not got acceptable welds

                              i can run beads all day long and they look great

                              i can butt weld now in 0.9mm up to 3mm thick

                              but outside and inside fillets no way yet

                              i’ve just gone and got a big argon bottle …much cheaper gas cost..

                              #508674
                              Ian Parkin
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                                @ianparkin39383

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                                #508693
                                Ian Parkin
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                                  @ianparkin39383

                                   

                                  102.jpegWell tried again …..made a jig to hold my alloy at 90 degrees to each other fastened the earth clamp to the jig quick wire brush with a SS brush and success

                                  Well for me I’m pleased with the result

                                  101.jpeg

                                  Edited By Ian Parkin on 20/11/2020 12:11:36

                                  #508701
                                  alex murphy
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                                    @alexmurphy41620
                                    Posted by Ian Parkin on 19/11/2020 09:42:27:

                                    Steve

                                    do you do much aluminium welding with that welder?

                                    ian

                                    Not much welding aluminum is a nightmare for me I have only worked with mild steel

                                    #508702
                                    alex murphy
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                                      @alexmurphy41620
                                      Posted by Ian Parkin on 20/11/2020 10:49:50:

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                                      How much duty cycle this welder offers? Ian

                                      #508704
                                      alex murphy
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                                        @alexmurphy41620
                                        Posted by John Olsen on 19/11/2020 20:13:28:

                                        You will have to do your own research about what is available in the US, since although the same units may be available where I am in NZ, they are quite possibly sold under different names. You may also find that what you think is a US made unit actually began it's life in China, or at least most of the parts did. The main thing is to buy from a reputable seller who will back their product, as also applies with the lathes and mills.

                                        I bought my TIG welder a bit over a year back. I went a bit higher in price than I had originally intended. I don't regret this since it meant I got a unit with HF start and with AC and pulse facilities. My original plan was to be able to weld stainless, for which AC is not needed, but as I looked into things, the relatively small increase in cost to have the AC facility and be able to weld aluminium seemed worthwhile. I am now very glad that I did, I have welded quite a lot of aluminium. Similarly the HF start is very good to have. I'm not an expert welder by any means, so anything that makes it easier is a good thing. I have successfully welded copper plumbing tube.

                                        Most commonly available TIG welders will also do stick, this may not be important to you since you already have MIG, but is a useful thing for anyone who will only have one welder. I have found that the DC stick welding is great, my very amateur welding is so much better now.

                                        Portable is a relative thing, any of the inverter welders is going to be more portable than an old style AC buzz box. My TIG unit is big enough that I splashed out on one of those trolleys for it, with a place for the gas bottle on the back. Even with the bottle I think it is still lighter than the old AC unit. Remember that the gas mixture for TIG is not the same as for MIG. The TIG uses straight argon, unless you want to spend more and use helium.

                                        There are a couple of guys on Utube doing videos about TIG, they seem to mostly be US based so they might give you some idea of the sort of gear available there, as well as providing some good how-to advice.

                                        John

                                        Hi, John you are right but there are many sellers over amazon so I was judging by the product ratings. also you have said about HF i have used their helmets in the start they were good. currently I am considering miller and hobart both have good reputation and offers multi features.

                                        Thank you for your detailed insight anyway

                                        #508708
                                        alex murphy
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                                          @alexmurphy41620
                                          Posted by Steviegtr on 18/11/2020 22:59:32:

                                          I have the Thermal arc AC/DC Tig unit which is very good. I believe the Esab is the same unit. The cheaper ones i am afraid are made in the east like the Parweld, but seem to get good revues.

                                          It takes a little time to get used to using a foot controller but worth the time to learn. It gives you time to concentrate on the weld better.

                                          Steve.

                                          front of tig unit.jpg

                                          tig unit.jpg

                                          top of tig unit.jpg

                                          Edited By Steviegtr on 18/11/2020 23:00:16

                                          Hi, Steve Thanks for your answer but unfortunately I couldn't find about it over amazon maybe its not available in the states

                                          #508711
                                          Ian Parkin
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                                            @ianparkin39383

                                            Alex

                                            the book says 60% at 170 amps for tig

                                            mma output is 35% at 125 amps

                                            #508760
                                            Steviegtr
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                                              @steviegtr

                                              alex i believe it to be an American brand. But shortly after buying i was looking for foot controller & was told they had been bought out by another company. Found it. They are called Victor technology supposed to be one of the best. Link below.

                                              Steve

                                              Victor tech

                                              A bit expensive though. Gulp.

                                              Edited By Steviegtr on 20/11/2020 16:35:14

                                              #508767
                                              Colin Heseltine
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                                                @colinheseltine48622

                                                I have a friend who is a professional tig welder doing marine and refrigeration tig welding. His welding is stunning. I'm sure he wont mind if I put up a picture showing some of his work.

                                                justinwelds.jpg

                                                I can only dream of being able to weld like this.

                                                Colin

                                                #508778
                                                Steviegtr
                                                Participant
                                                  @steviegtr

                                                  Very nice. He must have a steady hand.

                                                  Steve.

                                                  #508789
                                                  alex murphy
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                                                    @alexmurphy41620
                                                    Posted by Steviegtr on 20/11/2020 16:34:22:

                                                    alex i believe it to be an American brand. But shortly after buying i was looking for foot controller & was told they had been bought out by another company. Found it. They are called Victor technology supposed to be one of the best. Link below.

                                                    Steve

                                                    Victor tech

                                                    A bit expensive though. Gulp.

                                                    Edited By Steviegtr on 20/11/2020 16:35:14

                                                    right but the page shows more about esab welders I have had used their helmets they are wonderful but not sure about their welders too. Welder supply.At amazon they have good reviews so I am thinking spending a little out of line will be okay for me.

                                                    Edited By alex murphy on 20/11/2020 18:24:45

                                                    #508791
                                                    alex murphy
                                                    Participant
                                                      @alexmurphy41620
                                                      Posted by Colin Heseltine on 20/11/2020 17:07:54:

                                                      I have a friend who is a professional tig welder doing marine and refrigeration tig welding. His welding is stunning. I'm sure he wont mind if I put up a picture showing some of his work.

                                                      justinwelds.jpg

                                                      I can only dream of being able to weld like this.

                                                      Colin

                                                      He really got some skills I mean tig requires a lot of skills and clean hand he is really a professional give him a thumbs up from my side!

                                                      stunning!

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