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  • #374034
    Brian H
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      @brianh50089

      I've been hanging my nose over oxy acetylene sets for silver soldering copper stays in confined areas such as inside the firebox.

      I could just go down the ME Club and use theirs but sometimes it's just handy to have your own equipment.

      I've read that house insurance may not be possible with acetylene and so wondered about oxy propane.

      Does anyone have any experience on this?

      Brian

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      #19096
      Brian H
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        @brianh50089

        Is Oxy Propane suitable for Boiler Work?

        #374038
        not done it yet
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          @notdoneityet

          Search the net? No contest. Only one really sensible option, IMO.

          Try this. There will be lots of others.

          **LINK**

          Might need more heat, but not hotter.

          #374040
          AJW
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            @ajw

            I have used oxy propane for years and although never in a firebox it has been used in similar situations and find it works very well.
            I have also used oxy/mapp gas for steel welding, which has also worked well.
            Can’t remember the make of my torch offhand but it is an Australian manufactured handset, I’m sure a BOC one would work just as well.

            Alan

            #374044
            Ady1
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              @ady1

              The problem with acetylene is twofold from an insurance viewpoint

              1- It burns at at least 2500 centigrade which is pretty amazing

              2- It's ignition lower and upper flashpoint goes from 2.5% to 95%, so if you get any sort of leak it's going to ignite

              So it's hairy stuff to have lying about

              #374047
              Ian S C
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                @iansc

                Just did a oxy LPG set up for the Menzshed last week, have not used it yet, I'll see what tomorrow brings.

                Ian S C

                #374058
                Matt Harrington
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                  @mattharrington87221

                  I have had no regrets from moving from acetylene to propane. I changed the handset but some people don't even bother doing that!

                  Matt

                  #374061
                  Alan Waddington 2
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                    @alanwaddington2

                    Another consideration, especially if full size is the weight of the bottles, Acetylene bottles are stupidly heavy.

                    #374063
                    JasonB
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                      @jasonb

                      Same could be said for 47kg propane bottles which all up are just under 100kgwink

                      #374066
                      simon Hewitt 1
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                        @simonhewitt1

                        Any advice on what size? home or 'trade' kits with disposable cylinders are quite reasonable and very portable, but the replacement cylinders are £18.50 each (on one web site). How long would they last? And how hard to use a 9KG Propane bottle?

                        #374071
                        Peter Sansom
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                          @petersansom44767

                          Oxy Acetylene is a hotter flame than Oxy Propane

                          About the only thing that Oxy Acetylene is necessary for is Oxy welding. You won't get a hot enough flame when using welding.

                          If you want to cut, braze including silver brazing then Propane is good. Propane is also more economical to use.

                          #374074
                          Mick Henshall
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                            @mickhenshall99321

                            I have a number of oxy acetylene torches including welding/cutting and lightweight all with their nozzles. I also use propane wit sievert torch. Been thinking of getting acet again but can I use the oxy/acet torches with propane?

                            Mick

                            #374077
                            GoCreate
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                              @gocreate

                              I use a rent free oxy bottle for my oxy propane set-up, in the long run I believe it will be more economical and would recommend giving this consideration. You pay a refundable deposit on the bottle, a oxy refill costs around £35 for a 9 litre bottle. My local auto spares supplies rent free welding gas and oxy. For hobby use you can expect one 9 or 10 litre oxy bottle to last a considerable length of time, after 1 year or so I've used 1/4 bottle. I mostly use my oxy propane for small fabrications and hot metal forming but have used it alongside a propane torch to silver solder a copper vertical boiler.

                              I did have an oxy propane set using disposable cylinders but found it too expensive to use regularly, this was some time ago though.

                              Nige

                              #374090
                              John Reese
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                                @johnreese12848

                                I have used oxy-propane and oxy-natural gas for cutting, brazing, and heating for many years. For cutting and heating the tips are different from those used for acetylene. When using a normal welding tip I find it takes a bit of finesse to keep the flame from blowing off the tip when first adjusting the flame.

                                #374091
                                Brian H
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                                  @brianh50089

                                  Many thanks for all the helpful replies, is a special torch required or is it just the nozzle sizes?

                                  Brian

                                  #374111
                                  nigel jones 5
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                                    @nigeljones5

                                    I use oxy-prop in the business of making steam engine boilers commercially. I used to use acetylene but the price is prohibative to say the least, then there are the insurance considerations and god forbid there should ever be a fire resulting in the whole estate being shut down for 48 hours while the bottle cools! Same fittings, same torch, flame not as hot or stable but complete no brainer for me.

                                    #374114
                                    JasonB
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                                      @jasonb

                                      I beleive the hoses should be changes as there is something in Propane that can attack the lining of Acetylene hose so get an orange hose not red.

                                      #374128
                                      Mick Henshall
                                      Participant
                                        @mickhenshall99321

                                        I think the hoses are rated type T for propane and type R for acetylene, this courtesy of YT, done a bit of research and seems I can use my oxy/acet torch but need to get a dedicated cutting nozzle for propane

                                        Mick

                                        #374131
                                        pauljames
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                                          @pauljanes79128

                                          Brian,

                                          I use Oxy/Propane with standard nozzles and also a big heating torch but it requires a different regulator. For welding steel, I use Mig, Tig or stick.

                                          Paul.

                                          Edited By Paul Janes on 01/10/2018 20:38:22

                                          #374137
                                          Neil Wyatt
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                                            @neilwyatt

                                            Anyone (Fizzy?) interested in writing me an article about using oxy-propane in the home workshop (or it would be outside in a sheltered spot in my case, if I had the oxy bit)?

                                            Neil

                                            #374217
                                            Ron Laden
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                                              @ronladen17547

                                              Excuse my ignorance and I dont want to get off track but can someone explain MAPP gas and if it has uses in the model workshop..?

                                              #374220
                                              Keith Hale
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                                                @keithhale68713

                                                Hi Ron,

                                                One of the better answers will be found by googling

                                                mapp gas

                                                Regards

                                                Keith

                                                #374230
                                                Ron Laden
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                                                  @ronladen17547

                                                  Will do Keith, just thought maybe some are using it and have personal experience of it.

                                                  #374232
                                                  old Al
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                                                    @oldal

                                                    I brought myself an oxy propane torch from The Welders wearhouse. transformed the quality of bigger silver soldered joints.Propane is a bit more forgiving if you get the torch too close to the workpiece.

                                                    I get my gas bottles from Adams gas in a reasonable sized bottle.

                                                    Very happy with my setup now. Expensive to get going, but worth it.

                                                    #374234
                                                    Samsaranda
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                                                      @samsaranda

                                                      A few years ago bought a MAPP gas torch and cartridge from Axminster, it was a good bit of kit, when the cartridge ran out tried Axminster for a replacement and they had discontinued MAPP gas. Have not been able to obtain a replacement cartridge since, manufacturer was French perhaps they have something against the British and refuse to sell to us? Also have not seen true MAPP gas available since.

                                                      Dave W

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