Tapping drill size

[Robin GrahamParticipant @robingraham42208]

Harold Hall gives a brief, but useful (to me at least!) discussion of tapping drill sizes on his website here

He also provides tables giving thread engagement at various drill sizes for BA, Metric, Metric Fine and Model Engineer threads.

His site isn't easy to navigate (not complaining, it's free, thanks Harold if ever you read this!) but there's tons of good stuff there.

Robin

[Mike PooleParticipant @mikepoole82104]

I have been lucky enough to be gifted quite a lot of tooling from toolmakers and jig fitters who have retired, the taper shank drills seem to have a lot of 10.2, 8.3, 6.8,5.1 drills. I assume that these were the preferred tapping sizes used by chaps with hundreds of years of experience between them, even before I noticed this these were the sizes that I use.

Mike

[Martin Shaw 1Participant @martinshaw1]

Who knew threads could be so complex. I note from Harold Hall's tables that a 7.00mm drill gives a thread engagement of 65% which I think will be fine for this application and since I have that size I will use it. The thread is to receive a SS cap head screw which I will measure just in case they are seriously undersize, once again my thanks to all the contributors, I know a bit more now.

Regards

Martin

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Martin Shaw 1 on 20/10/2019 10:35:41:

Who knew threads could be so complex. […]

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Here’s a treat for you, Martin: **LINK**

https://ia802302.us.archive.org/8/items/screwsscrewmakin00colcuoft/screwsscrewmakin00colcuoft.pdf

MichaelG.

[David NobleParticipant @davidnoble71990]

Posted by Martin Shaw 1 on 20/10/2019 10:35:41:

Who knew threads could be so complex.

I have spent a lot of time machining threads and before metrication, I had a book around 1 1/2" thick which had a different thread form on each page. A couple of the more interesting ones ( I just had a wry smile thinking what a non engineer would think about an 'interesting' thread form) were a screw thread for a bottle closure and a steam coupling thread for the hose between rail carriages.

David

[Martin Shaw 1Participant @martinshaw1]

I thought a wee update might be in order. I am making a bigger version of the clamp shown front left, and the piece of steel which started out at 30mm by 20mm has been milled to suit and at the weekend I will access the power bandsaw at the railway to chop off 26mm wide bits allowing a finish to 25mm wide. I bought some blank T nuts, at £1 each it's just not worth making them, to which the drilling and tapping presented no problem at all, Sometimes I think the fear of cocking things up is a too powerful disincentive to progress, and even the power tapping was susprisingly undemanding. Anyway a good result.

Regards

Martin

[Nigel McBurney 1Participant @nigelmcburney1]

30 years ago I was involved on a large hard drive LM25 cast aluminium base,round the clock 7 days a week and tapped thousands of M8 holes using 6.8 mm drills,with no problems.If I was tapping stainless steel I would probably use 6.9 or 7 mm,

[Nigel Graham 2Participant @nigelgraham2]

Not sure if anyone else picked it up. but Martin tells us this is for making T-nuts.

A tip, if these are for the conventional solid-floored T-slot in a machine-table or accessory.

Do not make the thread run right though, or stake the bottom thread, so the stud cannot contact the bottom of the slot. Tightening the assembly with such contact puts an unfair strain on the T-slot flanges, and can break them if cast, or distort them if cut in rolled plate.

The flanges should be gripped in pure compression between the T-nut shoulders and whatever is being clamped down.

[not done it yetParticipant @notdoneityet]

Posted by Nigel Graham 2 on 01/11/2019 20:18:50:

The flanges should be gripped in pure compression between the T-nut shoulders and whatever is being clamped down.

The ideal situation – it is very difficult to damage the flanges that way, but unfortunately not always possible. Certainly, vises and suchlike are bolted this way, but on many occasions the holding studs are pulling on T-nuts which have no support above the table. In these circumstances it is simply a matter of using more support, with less force on each T-nut, if a lot of holding power is required.

[Howard LewisParticipant @howardlewis46836]

I nearly always use the "Nominal – Pitch" size for tapping Metric threads. The only time that I break taps is if I either bend them, or do not back out and clear the swarf. Bending is the quickest route to a broken Tap. Wherever possible, I use my Tapping aid (A drill chuck running in a redundant drill stand. Keeps the tap square to the job, and applies no bending moment, just torque. )

In the Mill, a spring centre supports the Tap while a small Tap Wrench applies the torque.

Tapping lubricant (Such as Trefolex or Rocol RTD ) is always applied.

Howard.

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