Noga vs. Warco?

[MM57Participant @mm57]

..and just found this one as well
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[AjohnwParticipant @ajohnw51620]

Looking at ebay prices on Noga by the time a small amount of import duty is added and vat and the dreaded tax collection fee if USPS shipping is used it looks to me like may as well buy from the UK. UPS etc don't charge for collecting the tax but the shipping costs are a lot higher.

Noga also do one with fine adjustment. It's at the bottom of the main stem.

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Looks like I have a different attitude to stands. My idea of a good stand is one where the friction in the joints can be adjusted nicely to allow the finger or plunger to be positioned and then fine adjustment used without having to touch anything else.

Cromwell have a vast array of magnetic stands of all types but looking out of curiosity the old finger sets with various bits and pieces and a small magnetic stand have gone. The small finger stand I showed seems to be available from Chronos but no tool post holder nor clamp to allow use on another type of stand.

John

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[clivelParticipant @clivel]

Posted by David Jupp on 16/06/2015 10:56:05:

Posted by Martin Millener on 15/06/2015 23:11:25:

So still not ordered, just yet – I see they are available in the UK at about 20% more than eBay from the States (so the same price if I get charged VAT on the incoming package)

You will likely also be charged a significant 'handling charge' on top of the VAT by Royal Mail (assuming they handle the import).

We in Canada are in a similar situation to the UK when it come to shipping from the US. Canada Post also charges a collection fee on top of the GST (general sales tax) that we pay.

The advantage of the eBay Global Shipping Programme, is that it is all inclusive, the import charges they list are intended to cover all costs, including VAT and brokerage/collection fees. The price you see is the final cost so there should be no unpleasant surprises on delivery.
The disadvantage of the programme is that it is not particularly cheap, but at least one knows exactly what the costs are upfront.

Clive

[AjohnwParticipant @ajohnw51620]

It's pretty easy to work out in the UK. There may be an import duty. Nightmare to sort out what on but if applied reckon on 4%. VAT as we all know is 20% on top of this. Royal Mail handle deliveries for overseas outfits like USPS – the US's equivalent of the RM. I believe that this is for free. There is some sort of global agreement on this sort of thing. They charge over £10 for collecting the VAT and any tax. I'm being vague as it has varied, When shipped via companies like UPS they also handle tax collection and don't charge for the service but their shipping costs are a lot higher. I had something a few months ago and thought great no tax as it does happen and then a letter arrived well after delivery asking me to pay the tax. Some times they wont deliver until the tax is paid just like RM.

Not sure about the ebay global shipping thingy costs but the numbers are there to see. I'm inclined to think that the $ rates shown are optimistic but not madly so.

Often when looking for something I go to say ebay.com for the US and search there as many sellers will ship items to us but don't list globally. Many of the ones that do offer very expensive shipping costs. I then paste the ebay number into ebay uk search. Some sellers don't mention overseas but will when asked. Some state no way.

Ebay have tried to stop people browsing their sites globally like this for obvious reasons but I have always managed to circumvent their attempts. I can be cheaper shopping this way.

Buying from Canada can be expensive due to postage costs. Sad as I have seen several things over the years where that aspect has put me off. USPS is a pretty unique service as far as costs go and I have found extremely reliable probably because RM handle it at this end.

One thing I have found, no idea why. If I have spent some number say £100 plus the tax charges seem to be lower. I have only done that a few times.

I'm tempted to rant about years if £18 tax free import allowance that aught to be 3 maybe even 4 times that now – reduced to £15. Stick the tax collect charge on this and many things just aren't worth buying around this cost. Argggggggg I've just seen something I want at £17. That could turn into £30++ when I get it.

John

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[I.M. OUTAHEREParticipant @i-m-outahere]

Posted by Ketan Swali on 15/06/2015 21:27:17:

Agreed, Noga are from Israel, and the components, or the base, or the the complete assembly may be made in Israel or somewhere else. I am aware that Israel is self sufficient. Perhaps I should have stayed off the subject of origin. Sorry

I am trying to suggest that Martin needs to compare Chinese ball and socket stem types with 80kg pull, with Noga DG61003, and then make the judgement on versatility vs price, for his requirements.

Ketan at ARC.

I wasn't putting you down Ketan i thought you may have had some inside info on Noga or something !

I have quite a few Chinese made mag bases most are ok two i had to take a skim of in the mill to get them to sit flat and considering the cost difference between the Chinese units and a Noga a few minutes work on the mill vastly improved the much cheaper unit.

Yep sure if you are using the damned thing all day every day the Noga is a unit that you would but for most model engineers it is a sort of status symbol or something .

Martin,

Try also CTC tools in China they seem to make just about everything and everything i have purchased from them was very well made

[Ketan SwaliParticipant @ketanswali79440]

No worries XD 351..I didnt take your comments in a wrong way.

I have been offered, checked and rejected some of the Noga copies too, and you are right in saying that everything has its place at a price.

Ketan at ARC.

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